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	ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 16:56:00 <Headquarters> Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 16:58:00 <Cully Paterson> Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 17:02:00 <Headquarters> whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 17:05:00 <Cully Paterson> 110 Wairau Road, Glenfield. Finding the bit that fits the turbo end is a no brainer. Problem is that you need to match the rest of the pipe that snakes down to the block where the oil feed/drains are, and that's nearly impossible unless you already have one to match up with. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 17:09:00 <Headquarters> Considering that there is no factory piping that will work on my little project, that doesnt matter too much kuz i have to get all custom piping anyway and for once, i actually know where that road is up there lmao Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted 110 Wairau Road, Glenfield. Finding the bit that fits the turbo end is a no brainer. Problem is that you need to match the rest of the pipe that snakes down to the block where the oil feed/drains are, and that's nearly impossible unless you already have one to match up with. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 18:50:00 <Cully Paterson> Well, you're kinda stuck then. It's next to impossible to adapt anything to the Toyota piping as it's really crap metal and can't be welded to. Where are you taking your oil feed from? ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Considering that there is no factory piping that will work on my little project, that doesnt matter too much kuz i have to get all custom piping anyway and for once, i actually know where that road is up there lmao Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted 110 Wairau Road, Glenfield. Finding the bit that fits the turbo end is a no brainer. Problem is that you need to match the rest of the pipe that snakes down to the block where the oil feed/drains are, and that's nearly impossible unless you already have one to match up with. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 18:55:00 <Headquarters> well, tho whole thing has been put on hold at the moment, due to i might be getting a better car to put the turbo on, so not entirely sure about piping yet, might be going full custom feeds including the bolt on parts but the guy who is gna be doing it wants the original parts to work off most of my ideas are coming from gt4's seeing as its a 3sge Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, you're kinda stuck then. It's next to impossible to adapt anything to the Toyota piping as it's really crap metal and can't be welded to. Where are you taking your oil feed from? ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Considering that there is no factory piping that will work on my little project, that doesnt matter too much kuz i have to get all custom piping anyway and for once, i actually know where that road is up there lmao Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted 110 Wairau Road, Glenfield. Finding the bit that fits the turbo end is a no brainer. Problem is that you need to match the rest of the pipe that snakes down to the block where the oil feed/drains are, and that's nearly impossible unless you already have one to match up with. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 18:58:00 <Cully Paterson> Well, surely with the way you're going it'd be better to either: a: Buy a complete 3SGTE/loom/ECU and drop it in b: Buy a GT-Four instead. Either is going to produce a better car, and I'd almost bet that it'd be cheaper in the long run too. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted well, tho whole thing has been put on hold at the moment, due to i might be getting a better car to put the turbo on, so not entirely sure about piping yet, might be going full custom feeds including the bolt on parts but the guy who is gna be doing it wants the original parts to work off most of my ideas are coming from gt4's seeing as its a 3sge Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, you're kinda stuck then. It's next to impossible to adapt anything to the Toyota piping as it's really crap metal and can't be welded to. Where are you taking your oil feed from? ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Considering that there is no factory piping that will work on my little project, that doesnt matter too much kuz i have to get all custom piping anyway and for once, i actually know where that road is up there lmao Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted 110 Wairau Road, Glenfield. Finding the bit that fits the turbo end is a no brainer. Problem is that you need to match the rest of the pipe that snakes down to the block where the oil feed/drains are, and that's nearly impossible unless you already have one to match up with. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 19:03:00 <Headquarters> considering id be looking at around $1500 for a 3sgte, plus loom and computer and the other costs involved and the way im doing this one is working out to be less than $1000 (due to contacts for cheap or free parts), 3sgte conversion isnt cheaper Also i have done sum research and found that i can derive more power from turboing and working a 3sge than i can from working a 3sgte... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, surely with the way you're going it'd be better to either: a: Buy a complete 3SGTE/loom/ECU and drop it in b: Buy a GT-Four instead. Either is going to produce a better car, and I'd almost bet that it'd be cheaper in the long run too. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted well, tho whole thing has been put on hold at the moment, due to i might be getting a better car to put the turbo on, so not entirely sure about piping yet, might be going full custom feeds including the bolt on parts but the guy who is gna be doing it wants the original parts to work off most of my ideas are coming from gt4's seeing as its a 3sge Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, you're kinda stuck then. It's next to impossible to adapt anything to the Toyota piping as it's really crap metal and can't be welded to. Where are you taking your oil feed from? ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Considering that there is no factory piping that will work on my little project, that doesnt matter too much kuz i have to get all custom piping anyway and for once, i actually know where that road is up there lmao Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted 110 Wairau Road, Glenfield. Finding the bit that fits the turbo end is a no brainer. Problem is that you need to match the rest of the pipe that snakes down to the block where the oil feed/drains are, and that's nearly impossible unless you already have one to match up with. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 19:06:00 <Cully Paterson> Uh huh. I'm fairly sure that a 3SGTE complete can be had for less money that that these days. I'd be interested to hear how you intend to keep a 3SGE in one piece when you turbo it, particularly how you'll handle fueling under boost. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted considering id be looking at around $1500 for a 3sgte, plus loom and computer and the other costs involved and the way im doing this one is working out to be less than $1000 (due to contacts for cheap or free parts), 3sgte conversion isnt cheaper Also i have done sum research and found that i can derive more power from turboing and working a 3sge than i can from working a 3sgte... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, surely with the way you're going it'd be better to either: a: Buy a complete 3SGTE/loom/ECU and drop it in b: Buy a GT-Four instead. Either is going to produce a better car, and I'd almost bet that it'd be cheaper in the long run too. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted well, tho whole thing has been put on hold at the moment, due to i might be getting a better car to put the turbo on, so not entirely sure about piping yet, might be going full custom feeds including the bolt on parts but the guy who is gna be doing it wants the original parts to work off most of my ideas are coming from gt4's seeing as its a 3sge Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, you're kinda stuck then. It's next to impossible to adapt anything to the Toyota piping as it's really crap metal and can't be welded to. Where are you taking your oil feed from? ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Considering that there is no factory piping that will work on my little project, that doesnt matter too much kuz i have to get all custom piping anyway and for once, i actually know where that road is up there lmao Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted 110 Wairau Road, Glenfield. Finding the bit that fits the turbo end is a no brainer. Problem is that you need to match the rest of the pipe that snakes down to the block where the oil feed/drains are, and that's nearly impossible unless you already have one to match up with. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 19:14:00 <Headquarters> I'm upgrading fuel pump to gt4 and running a fpr and i have 7mgte injectors so that solves the fueling problem 2ndly, there is only .7 difference in the compression between a 3sge and 3sgte and we'r putting a slightly thicker, most indestructable headgasket we can find besides, it has been done successfully, want the proof go look at http://www.turbocelica.8m.com Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Uh huh. I'm fairly sure that a 3SGTE complete can be had for less money that that these days. I'd be interested to hear how you intend to keep a 3SGE in one piece when you turbo it, particularly how you'll handle fueling under boost. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted considering id be looking at around $1500 for a 3sgte, plus loom and computer and the other costs involved and the way im doing this one is working out to be less than $1000 (due to contacts for cheap or free parts), 3sgte conversion isnt cheaper Also i have done sum research and found that i can derive more power from turboing and working a 3sge than i can from working a 3sgte... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, surely with the way you're going it'd be better to either: a: Buy a complete 3SGTE/loom/ECU and drop it in b: Buy a GT-Four instead. Either is going to produce a better car, and I'd almost bet that it'd be cheaper in the long run too. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted well, tho whole thing has been put on hold at the moment, due to i might be getting a better car to put the turbo on, so not entirely sure about piping yet, might be going full custom feeds including the bolt on parts but the guy who is gna be doing it wants the original parts to work off most of my ideas are coming from gt4's seeing as its a 3sge Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, you're kinda stuck then. It's next to impossible to adapt anything to the Toyota piping as it's really crap metal and can't be welded to. Where are you taking your oil feed from? ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Considering that there is no factory piping that will work on my little project, that doesnt matter too much kuz i have to get all custom piping anyway and for once, i actually know where that road is up there lmao Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted 110 Wairau Road, Glenfield. Finding the bit that fits the turbo end is a no brainer. Problem is that you need to match the rest of the pipe that snakes down to the block where the oil feed/drains are, and that's nearly impossible unless you already have one to match up with. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 19:22:00 <Cully Paterson> Do you mean a rising rate fuel pressure regulator? Compression ratio isn't the only issue when it comes to turboing vehicles, and putting in a thicker stronger gasket isn't always a good idea - head gaskets are designed to be the weakest link in the chain so that it blows before anything else gets damaged. Putting it in other terms, would you rather blow a gasket or melt a piston? Don't wish to pour cold water on this (I love modding, don't get me wrong), but I'm seeing some pitfalls that perhaps you haven't considered. Stock non turbo engines are often a lot weaker than their turbo cousins, and just because someone has done it doesn't mean to say it's long-term successful. At least it's a 3S you're trying to turbo, and not a 4A-FE ;-) Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I'm upgrading fuel pump to gt4 and running a fpr and i have 7mgte injectors so that solves the fueling problem 2ndly, there is only .7 difference in the compression between a 3sge and 3sgte and we'r putting a slightly thicker, most indestructable headgasket we can find besides, it has been done successfully, want the proof go look at http://www.turbocelica.8m.com Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Uh huh. I'm fairly sure that a 3SGTE complete can be had for less money that that these days. I'd be interested to hear how you intend to keep a 3SGE in one piece when you turbo it, particularly how you'll handle fueling under boost. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted considering id be looking at around $1500 for a 3sgte, plus loom and computer and the other costs involved and the way im doing this one is working out to be less than $1000 (due to contacts for cheap or free parts), 3sgte conversion isnt cheaper Also i have done sum research and found that i can derive more power from turboing and working a 3sge than i can from working a 3sgte... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, surely with the way you're going it'd be better to either: a: Buy a complete 3SGTE/loom/ECU and drop it in b: Buy a GT-Four instead. Either is going to produce a better car, and I'd almost bet that it'd be cheaper in the long run too. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted well, tho whole thing has been put on hold at the moment, due to i might be getting a better car to put the turbo on, so not entirely sure about piping yet, might be going full custom feeds including the bolt on parts but the guy who is gna be doing it wants the original parts to work off most of my ideas are coming from gt4's seeing as its a 3sge Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, you're kinda stuck then. It's next to impossible to adapt anything to the Toyota piping as it's really crap metal and can't be welded to. Where are you taking your oil feed from? ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Considering that there is no factory piping that will work on my little project, that doesnt matter too much kuz i have to get all custom piping anyway and for once, i actually know where that road is up there lmao Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted 110 Wairau Road, Glenfield. Finding the bit that fits the turbo end is a no brainer. Problem is that you need to match the rest of the pipe that snakes down to the block where the oil feed/drains are, and that's nearly impossible unless you already have one to match up with. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 19:29:00 <Headquarters> ummm, cully, go look at www.turbocelica.8m.com a turbo gen 1 3sge which is exactly what im doing this 3sge has successfully been turboed and fully modded to a more powerful turbo than a ct26.... I am doing my research as best i can but i dont have much time at the moment and im not rushing into this either as i dont really want to stuff it up. i have help from sum guys in auckland and a couple down here who know turbo's and the 3s family of motors it has also successfully been done by members of the Alltrac & GT4 club Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 7:00 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Do you mean a rising rate fuel pressure regulator? Compression ratio isn't the only issue when it comes to turboing vehicles, and putting in a thicker stronger gasket isn't always a good idea - head gaskets are designed to be the weakest link in the chain so that it blows before anything else gets damaged. Putting it in other terms, would you rather blow a gasket or melt a piston? Don't wish to pour cold water on this (I love modding, don't get me wrong), but I'm seeing some pitfalls that perhaps you haven't considered. Stock non turbo engines are often a lot weaker than their turbo cousins, and just because someone has done it doesn't mean to say it's long-term successful. At least it's a 3S you're trying to turbo, and not a 4A-FE ;-) Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I'm upgrading fuel pump to gt4 and running a fpr and i have 7mgte injectors so that solves the fueling problem 2ndly, there is only .7 difference in the compression between a 3sge and 3sgte and we'r putting a slightly thicker, most indestructable headgasket we can find besides, it has been done successfully, want the proof go look at http://www.turbocelica.8m.com Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Uh huh. I'm fairly sure that a 3SGTE complete can be had for less money that that these days. I'd be interested to hear how you intend to keep a 3SGE in one piece when you turbo it, particularly how you'll handle fueling under boost. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted considering id be looking at around $1500 for a 3sgte, plus loom and computer and the other costs involved and the way im doing this one is working out to be less than $1000 (due to contacts for cheap or free parts), 3sgte conversion isnt cheaper Also i have done sum research and found that i can derive more power from turboing and working a 3sge than i can from working a 3sgte... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, surely with the way you're going it'd be better to either: a: Buy a complete 3SGTE/loom/ECU and drop it in b: Buy a GT-Four instead. Either is going to produce a better car, and I'd almost bet that it'd be cheaper in the long run too. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted well, tho whole thing has been put on hold at the moment, due to i might be getting a better car to put the turbo on, so not entirely sure about piping yet, might be going full custom feeds including the bolt on parts but the guy who is gna be doing it wants the original parts to work off most of my ideas are coming from gt4's seeing as its a 3sge Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, you're kinda stuck then. It's next to impossible to adapt anything to the Toyota piping as it's really crap metal and can't be welded to. Where are you taking your oil feed from? ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Considering that there is no factory piping that will work on my little project, that doesnt matter too much kuz i have to get all custom piping anyway and for once, i actually know where that road is up there lmao Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted 110 Wairau Road, Glenfield. Finding the bit that fits the turbo end is a no brainer. Problem is that you need to match the rest of the pipe that snakes down to the block where the oil feed/drains are, and that's nearly impossible unless you already have one to match up with. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 20:32:00 <Cully Paterson> >ummm, cully, go look at www.turbocelica.8m.com a turbo gen 1 3sge which is exactly what im doing OK, I've had a look at that, and I've just about finished shuddering. Before I continue, I have to correct one thing first: --- "The 3SGE.3SGTE series motor is one of the most innovative design in the Toyota family of engines. The engine has the potential of upward of making over 900hp. The engine was the same one Rod Millen used in the record breaking run in the AWD Celica at the Pikes Peak Race." --- The engine that Millen used on Pikes Peak bore absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to a 3S. The engine was a complete custom built race unit that had roughly similar external dimensions to the 3S, but that's about it. It was running 80(!!!)psi boost, and there's no way that any 3S could handle that. Anyway, back to business. You're obviously well convinced that this is the right way to go - cool, fair enough, go you. Given you're trying to do your research, perhaps you'll take these as a few things to consider along the way: The 3SGE has a different block, rods and pistons to a stock 3SGTE. As per previous you'll find that they're below spec of what a 3SGTE has and should be treated accordingly. It's in your best interests to treat them carefully as I"m sure you don't want a dead engine on your hands. For example the 3SGE lacks the oil sprayers in the block which spray oil onto the bottom of the pistons. These are designed to help absorb and distribute the heat of combustion that is otherwise soaked up by the piston. Cam profile: N/A cams are far more agressive than turbo cams. This gives rise to problems when you turbo an N/A engine in a couple of areas. Mostly the problems arise from the amount of overlap that the cams have. In an N/A engine when it's relying on vacuum to fill the cylinders there is a larger period of time when the exhaust valve is still open while the intake valve is opening in order to maximise the scavenging of exhaust gasses and induction of fresh charge. When a turbo is on the engine and there's a great big hairdryer pushing the charge into the cylinder, that high amount of overlap will lead to fuel/air coming into the cylinder and straight back out of the exhaust before the exhaust valve closes. That results in unburnt fuel getting into the exhaust (where it can ignite from the heat and burn in the turbo - not good for ceramic turbos!). Additionally the early opening of the exhaust valve after the combustion stroke will lead to more still-burning mixture exiting the cylinder (as opposed to an N/A engine where the duration of the combution is much shorter with less fuel/air in the cylinder). The upshot of which is that you have to be very careful about the temperature of your exhaust gasses leaving the engine if you don't want to wreck your turbo. For a near-stock turbo'd engine you should be OK, but if you get tempted to up the boost then you've got problems. Knock sensing: The 3SGE has no knock sensor(s). In NZ this isn't a particularly pretty thing with our fuel. Detonation control in a turbo engine is of paramount importance, and removing knock sensing isn't a good thing IMHO. If you're going to run a 3SGTE ECU etc then you'll have a problem with having nowhere to plug the knock sensor feeds into. Not sure what the ECU will do with this, but I suspect it'll end up in limp-home mode. Lastly, consider what you'll do to the value of the car. The reason I'm such a knocker of people who try to do engine swaps is that I've been there and fùcked that up, and ended up sending the car to the wrecker because it wasn't worth trying to cert/sell. Even if you make a pristine job of the conversion, you'll end up with a car that's of less value. People won't touch it if you try to sell it, insurance companies won't want to know you, and so on. Basically you're trying to create something that can pretty much be purchased out of the T&E - a turbo'd ST16x, give or take the 4WD. You can already go and buy one of those for about $4k. Isn't it better to buy something that'll retain some value, won't cost you moonbeams in insurance, and will ultimately perform better? Hope this helps some. Cully

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 20:42:00 <Headquarters> cheers for the novel cully lol yes i know that that website was wrong about rod millens car and i know there are a few things i need to think about like that, but i am only gna be running 6-8psi until i pull apart and do the internals and i will not be going stupid and trying to push out 16psi or more even after the internals have been done with the cams, i have been told by 3 people that i dont need to worry about them, as the gt4 owners are all putting 3sge cams in their 3sgte's and getting better performance and no problems your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i dont really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless its written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and all going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 8:08 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > >ummm, cully, go look at www.turbocelica.8m.com a turbo gen 1 3sge which is > exactly what im doing > > OK, I've had a look at that, and I've just about finished shuddering. > Before I continue, I have to correct one thing first: > > --- > "The 3SGE.3SGTE series motor is one of the most innovative design in the > Toyota family of engines. The engine has the potential of upward of making > over 900hp. The engine was the same one Rod Millen used in the record > breaking run in the AWD Celica at the Pikes Peak Race." > --- > > The engine that Millen used on Pikes Peak bore absolutely no resemblance > whatsoever to a 3S. The engine was a complete custom built race unit that > had roughly similar external dimensions to the 3S, but that's about it. It > was running 80(!!!)psi boost, and there's no way that any 3S could handle > that. > > > Anyway, back to business. You're obviously well convinced that this is the > right way to go - cool, fair enough, go you. Given you're trying to do your > research, perhaps you'll take these as a few things to consider along the > way: > > The 3SGE has a different block, rods and pistons to a stock 3SGTE. As per > previous you'll find that they're below spec of what a 3SGTE has and should > be treated accordingly. It's in your best interests to treat them carefully > as I"m sure you don't want a dead engine on your hands. For example the > 3SGE lacks the oil sprayers in the block which spray oil onto the bottom of > the pistons. These are designed to help absorb and distribute the heat of > combustion that is otherwise soaked up by the piston. > > Cam profile: N/A cams are far more agressive than turbo cams. This gives > rise to problems when you turbo an N/A engine in a couple of areas. Mostly > the problems arise from the amount of overlap that the cams have. In an N/A > engine when it's relying on vacuum to fill the cylinders there is a larger > period of time when the exhaust valve is still open while the intake valve > is opening in order to maximise the scavenging of exhaust gasses and > induction of fresh charge. When a turbo is on the engine and there's a > great big hairdryer pushing the charge into the cylinder, that high amount > of overlap will lead to fuel/air coming into the cylinder and straight back > out of the exhaust before the exhaust valve closes. That results in unburnt > fuel getting into the exhaust (where it can ignite from the heat and burn in > the turbo - not good for ceramic turbos!). Additionally the early opening > of the exhaust valve after the combustion stroke will lead to more > still-burning mixture exiting the cylinder (as opposed to an N/A engine > where the duration of the combution is much shorter with less fuel/air in > the cylinder). The upshot of which is that you have to be very careful > about the temperature of your exhaust gasses leaving the engine if you don't > want to wreck your turbo. For a near-stock turbo'd engine you should be OK, > but if you get tempted to up the boost then you've got problems. > > Knock sensing: The 3SGE has no knock sensor(s). In NZ this isn't a > particularly pretty thing with our fuel. Detonation control in a turbo > engine is of paramount importance, and removing knock sensing isn't a good > thing IMHO. If you're going to run a 3SGTE ECU etc then you'll have a > problem with having nowhere to plug the knock sensor feeds into. Not sure > what the ECU will do with this, but I suspect it'll end up in limp-home > mode. > > Lastly, consider what you'll do to the value of the car. The reason I'm > such a knocker of people who try to do engine swaps is that I've been there > and fùcked that up, and ended up sending the car to the wrecker because it > wasn't worth trying to cert/sell. Even if you make a pristine job of the > conversion, you'll end up with a car that's of less value. People won't > touch it if you try to sell it, insurance companies won't want to know you, > and so on. Basically you're trying to create something that can pretty much > be purchased out of the T&E - a turbo'd ST16x, give or take the 4WD. You > can already go and buy one of those for about $4k. Isn't it better to buy > something that'll retain some value, won't cost you moonbeams in insurance, > and will ultimately perform better? > > Hope this helps some. > > Cully > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 20:44:00 <Hunt M> top secret supra?? that wasn't no supra motor either hahah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Headquarters" <headquarters@toyperformance.org.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 28 July, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > cheers for the novel cully lol > yes i know that that website was wrong about rod millens car and i know > there are a few things i need to think about like that, but i am only gna be > running 6-8psi until i pull apart and do the internals and i will not be > going stupid and trying to push out 16psi or more even after the internals > have been done > > with the cams, i have been told by 3 people that i dont need to worry about > them, as the gt4 owners are all putting 3sge cams in their 3sgte's and > getting better performance and no problems > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i dont > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless its > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and all > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > Libby Cameron > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 8:08 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > >ummm, cully, go look at www.turbocelica.8m.com a turbo gen 1 3sge which > is > > exactly what im doing > > > > OK, I've had a look at that, and I've just about finished shuddering. > > Before I continue, I have to correct one thing first: > > > > --- > > "The 3SGE.3SGTE series motor is one of the most innovative design in the > > Toyota family of engines. The engine has the potential of upward of making > > over 900hp. The engine was the same one Rod Millen used in the record > > breaking run in the AWD Celica at the Pikes Peak Race." > > --- > > > > The engine that Millen used on Pikes Peak bore absolutely no resemblance > > whatsoever to a 3S. The engine was a complete custom built race unit that > > had roughly similar external dimensions to the 3S, but that's about it. > It > > was running 80(!!!)psi boost, and there's no way that any 3S could handle > > that. > > > > > > Anyway, back to business. You're obviously well convinced that this is > the > > right way to go - cool, fair enough, go you. Given you're trying to do > your > > research, perhaps you'll take these as a few things to consider along the > > way: > > > > The 3SGE has a different block, rods and pistons to a stock 3SGTE. As per > > previous you'll find that they're below spec of what a 3SGTE has and > should > > be treated accordingly. It's in your best interests to treat them > carefully > > as I"m sure you don't want a dead engine on your hands. For example the > > 3SGE lacks the oil sprayers in the block which spray oil onto the bottom > of > > the pistons. These are designed to help absorb and distribute the heat of > > combustion that is otherwise soaked up by the piston. > > > > Cam profile: N/A cams are far more agressive than turbo cams. This gives > > rise to problems when you turbo an N/A engine in a couple of areas. > Mostly > > the problems arise from the amount of overlap that the cams have. In an > N/A > > engine when it's relying on vacuum to fill the cylinders there is a larger > > period of time when the exhaust valve is still open while the intake valve > > is opening in order to maximise the scavenging of exhaust gasses and > > induction of fresh charge. When a turbo is on the engine and there's a > > great big hairdryer pushing the charge into the cylinder, that high amount > > of overlap will lead to fuel/air coming into the cylinder and straight > back > > out of the exhaust before the exhaust valve closes. That results in > unburnt > > fuel getting into the exhaust (where it can ignite from the heat and burn > in > > the turbo - not good for ceramic turbos!). Additionally the early opening > > of the exhaust valve after the combustion stroke will lead to more > > still-burning mixture exiting the cylinder (as opposed to an N/A engine > > where the duration of the combution is much shorter with less fuel/air in > > the cylinder). The upshot of which is that you have to be very careful > > about the temperature of your exhaust gasses leaving the engine if you > don't > > want to wreck your turbo. For a near-stock turbo'd engine you should be > OK, > > but if you get tempted to up the boost then you've got problems. > > > > Knock sensing: The 3SGE has no knock sensor(s). In NZ this isn't a > > particularly pretty thing with our fuel. Detonation control in a turbo > > engine is of paramount importance, and removing knock sensing isn't a good > > thing IMHO. If you're going to run a 3SGTE ECU etc then you'll have a > > problem with having nowhere to plug the knock sensor feeds into. Not sure > > what the ECU will do with this, but I suspect it'll end up in limp-home > > mode. > > > > Lastly, consider what you'll do to the value of the car. The reason I'm > > such a knocker of people who try to do engine swaps is that I've been > there > > and fùcked that up, and ended up sending the car to the wrecker because it > > wasn't worth trying to cert/sell. Even if you make a pristine job of the > > conversion, you'll end up with a car that's of less value. People won't > > touch it if you try to sell it, insurance companies won't want to know > you, > > and so on. Basically you're trying to create something that can pretty > much > > be purchased out of the T&E - a turbo'd ST16x, give or take the 4WD. You > > can already go and buy one of those for about $4k. Isn't it better to buy > > something that'll retain some value, won't cost you moonbeams in > insurance, > > and will ultimately perform better? > > > > Hope this helps some. > > > > Cully > > > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

	Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 20:45:00 <Cully Paterson> > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, That's what I thought when I started my original engine change :) But good luck, and keep us up to date. Cully

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 20:48:00 <Hunt M> hey dont be talking bout my bum like dat.....neways thats all you'll see of me as i boost off to the 1/4 mile horizon hahah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Headquarters" <headquarters@toyperformance.org.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 28 July, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > cheers for the novel cully lol > yes i know that that website was wrong about rod millens car and i know > there are a few things i need to think about like that, but i am only gna be > running 6-8psi until i pull apart and do the internals and i will not be > going stupid and trying to push out 16psi or more even after the internals > have been done > > with the cams, i have been told by 3 people that i dont need to worry about > them, as the gt4 owners are all putting 3sge cams in their 3sgte's and > getting better performance and no problems > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i dont > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless its > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and all > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > Libby Cameron > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 8:08 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > >ummm, cully, go look at www.turbocelica.8m.com a turbo gen 1 3sge which > is > > exactly what im doing > > > > OK, I've had a look at that, and I've just about finished shuddering. > > Before I continue, I have to correct one thing first: > > > > --- > > "The 3SGE.3SGTE series motor is one of the most innovative design in the > > Toyota family of engines. The engine has the potential of upward of making > > over 900hp. The engine was the same one Rod Millen used in the record > > breaking run in the AWD Celica at the Pikes Peak Race." > > --- > > > > The engine that Millen used on Pikes Peak bore absolutely no resemblance > > whatsoever to a 3S. The engine was a complete custom built race unit that > > had roughly similar external dimensions to the 3S, but that's about it. > It > > was running 80(!!!)psi boost, and there's no way that any 3S could handle > > that. > > > > > > Anyway, back to business. You're obviously well convinced that this is > the > > right way to go - cool, fair enough, go you. Given you're trying to do > your > > research, perhaps you'll take these as a few things to consider along the > > way: > > > > The 3SGE has a different block, rods and pistons to a stock 3SGTE. As per > > previous you'll find that they're below spec of what a 3SGTE has and > should > > be treated accordingly. It's in your best interests to treat them > carefully > > as I"m sure you don't want a dead engine on your hands. For example the > > 3SGE lacks the oil sprayers in the block which spray oil onto the bottom > of > > the pistons. These are designed to help absorb and distribute the heat of > > combustion that is otherwise soaked up by the piston. > > > > Cam profile: N/A cams are far more agressive than turbo cams. This gives > > rise to problems when you turbo an N/A engine in a couple of areas. > Mostly > > the problems arise from the amount of overlap that the cams have. In an > N/A > > engine when it's relying on vacuum to fill the cylinders there is a larger > > period of time when the exhaust valve is still open while the intake valve > > is opening in order to maximise the scavenging of exhaust gasses and > > induction of fresh charge. When a turbo is on the engine and there's a > > great big hairdryer pushing the charge into the cylinder, that high amount > > of overlap will lead to fuel/air coming into the cylinder and straight > back > > out of the exhaust before the exhaust valve closes. That results in > unburnt > > fuel getting into the exhaust (where it can ignite from the heat and burn > in > > the turbo - not good for ceramic turbos!). Additionally the early opening > > of the exhaust valve after the combustion stroke will lead to more > > still-burning mixture exiting the cylinder (as opposed to an N/A engine > > where the duration of the combution is much shorter with less fuel/air in > > the cylinder). The upshot of which is that you have to be very careful > > about the temperature of your exhaust gasses leaving the engine if you > don't > > want to wreck your turbo. For a near-stock turbo'd engine you should be > OK, > > but if you get tempted to up the boost then you've got problems. > > > > Knock sensing: The 3SGE has no knock sensor(s). In NZ this isn't a > > particularly pretty thing with our fuel. Detonation control in a turbo > > engine is of paramount importance, and removing knock sensing isn't a good > > thing IMHO. If you're going to run a 3SGTE ECU etc then you'll have a > > problem with having nowhere to plug the knock sensor feeds into. Not sure > > what the ECU will do with this, but I suspect it'll end up in limp-home > > mode. > > > > Lastly, consider what you'll do to the value of the car. The reason I'm > > such a knocker of people who try to do engine swaps is that I've been > there > > and fùcked that up, and ended up sending the car to the wrecker because it > > wasn't worth trying to cert/sell. Even if you make a pristine job of the > > conversion, you'll end up with a car that's of less value. People won't > > touch it if you try to sell it, insurance companies won't want to know > you, > > and so on. Basically you're trying to create something that can pretty > much > > be purchased out of the T&E - a turbo'd ST16x, give or take the 4WD. You > > can already go and buy one of those for about $4k. Isn't it better to buy > > something that'll retain some value, won't cost you moonbeams in > insurance, > > and will ultimately perform better? > > > > Hope this helps some. > > > > Cully > > > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 20:49:00 <Headquarters> depends who gets traction first as to who will be looking at whos arse i think lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > hey dont be talking bout my bum like dat.....neways thats all you'll see of > me as i boost off to the 1/4 mile horizon hahah > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Headquarters" <headquarters@toyperformance.org.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: 28 July, 2003 8:37 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > cheers for the novel cully lol > > yes i know that that website was wrong about rod millens car and i know > > there are a few things i need to think about like that, but i am only gna > be > > running 6-8psi until i pull apart and do the internals and i will not be > > going stupid and trying to push out 16psi or more even after the internals > > have been done > > > > with the cams, i have been told by 3 people that i dont need to worry > about > > them, as the gt4 owners are all putting 3sge cams in their 3sgte's and > > getting better performance and no problems > > > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i dont > > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless its > > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and all > > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 8:08 PM > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > >ummm, cully, go look at www.turbocelica.8m.com a turbo gen 1 3sge which > > is > > > exactly what im doing > > > > > > OK, I've had a look at that, and I've just about finished shuddering. > > > Before I continue, I have to correct one thing first: > > > > > > --- > > > "The 3SGE.3SGTE series motor is one of the most innovative design in the > > > Toyota family of engines. The engine has the potential of upward of > making > > > over 900hp. The engine was the same one Rod Millen used in the record > > > breaking run in the AWD Celica at the Pikes Peak Race." > > > --- > > > > > > The engine that Millen used on Pikes Peak bore absolutely no resemblance > > > whatsoever to a 3S. The engine was a complete custom built race unit > that > > > had roughly similar external dimensions to the 3S, but that's about it. > > It > > > was running 80(!!!)psi boost, and there's no way that any 3S could > handle > > > that. > > > > > > > > > Anyway, back to business. You're obviously well convinced that this is > > the > > > right way to go - cool, fair enough, go you. Given you're trying to do > > your > > > research, perhaps you'll take these as a few things to consider along > the > > > way: > > > > > > The 3SGE has a different block, rods and pistons to a stock 3SGTE. As > per > > > previous you'll find that they're below spec of what a 3SGTE has and > > should > > > be treated accordingly. It's in your best interests to treat them > > carefully > > > as I"m sure you don't want a dead engine on your hands. For example the > > > 3SGE lacks the oil sprayers in the block which spray oil onto the bottom > > of > > > the pistons. These are designed to help absorb and distribute the heat > of > > > combustion that is otherwise soaked up by the piston. > > > > > > Cam profile: N/A cams are far more agressive than turbo cams. This > gives > > > rise to problems when you turbo an N/A engine in a couple of areas. > > Mostly > > > the problems arise from the amount of overlap that the cams have. In an > > N/A > > > engine when it's relying on vacuum to fill the cylinders there is a > larger > > > period of time when the exhaust valve is still open while the intake > valve > > > is opening in order to maximise the scavenging of exhaust gasses and > > > induction of fresh charge. When a turbo is on the engine and there's a > > > great big hairdryer pushing the charge into the cylinder, that high > amount > > > of overlap will lead to fuel/air coming into the cylinder and straight > > back > > > out of the exhaust before the exhaust valve closes. That results in > > unburnt > > > fuel getting into the exhaust (where it can ignite from the heat and > burn > > in > > > the turbo - not good for ceramic turbos!). Additionally the early > opening > > > of the exhaust valve after the combustion stroke will lead to more > > > still-burning mixture exiting the cylinder (as opposed to an N/A engine > > > where the duration of the combution is much shorter with less fuel/air > in > > > the cylinder). The upshot of which is that you have to be very careful > > > about the temperature of your exhaust gasses leaving the engine if you > > don't > > > want to wreck your turbo. For a near-stock turbo'd engine you should be > > OK, > > > but if you get tempted to up the boost then you've got problems. > > > > > > Knock sensing: The 3SGE has no knock sensor(s). In NZ this isn't a > > > particularly pretty thing with our fuel. Detonation control in a turbo > > > engine is of paramount importance, and removing knock sensing isn't a > good > > > thing IMHO. If you're going to run a 3SGTE ECU etc then you'll have a > > > problem with having nowhere to plug the knock sensor feeds into. Not > sure > > > what the ECU will do with this, but I suspect it'll end up in limp-home > > > mode. > > > > > > Lastly, consider what you'll do to the value of the car. The reason I'm > > > such a knocker of people who try to do engine swaps is that I've been > > there > > > and fùcked that up, and ended up sending the car to the wrecker because > it > > > wasn't worth trying to cert/sell. Even if you make a pristine job of > the > > > conversion, you'll end up with a car that's of less value. People won't > > > touch it if you try to sell it, insurance companies won't want to know > > you, > > > and so on. Basically you're trying to create something that can pretty > > much > > > be purchased out of the T&E - a turbo'd ST16x, give or take the 4WD. > You > > > can already go and buy one of those for about $4k. Isn't it better to > buy > > > something that'll retain some value, won't cost you moonbeams in > > insurance, > > > and will ultimately perform better? > > > > > > Hope this helps some. > > > > > > Cully > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 20:50:00 <Hunt M> traction?? wtf is that?? i've heard about it but yet to experience it..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Headquarters" <headquarters@toyperformance.org.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 28 July, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > depends who gets traction first as to who will be looking at whos arse i > think lol > > Libby Cameron > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:41 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > hey dont be talking bout my bum like dat.....neways thats all you'll see > of > > me as i boost off to the 1/4 mile horizon hahah > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Headquarters" <headquarters@toyperformance.org.nz> > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > Sent: 28 July, 2003 8:37 PM > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > cheers for the novel cully lol > > > yes i know that that website was wrong about rod millens car and i know > > > there are a few things i need to think about like that, but i am only > gna > > be > > > running 6-8psi until i pull apart and do the internals and i will not be > > > going stupid and trying to push out 16psi or more even after the > internals > > > have been done > > > > > > with the cams, i have been told by 3 people that i dont need to worry > > about > > > them, as the gt4 owners are all putting 3sge cams in their 3sgte's and > > > getting better performance and no problems > > > > > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i > dont > > > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless its > > > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > > > > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and all > > > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 8:08 PM > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ummm, cully, go look at www.turbocelica.8m.com a turbo gen 1 3sge > which > > > is > > > > exactly what im doing > > > > > > > > OK, I've had a look at that, and I've just about finished shuddering. > > > > Before I continue, I have to correct one thing first: > > > > > > > > --- > > > > "The 3SGE.3SGTE series motor is one of the most innovative design in > the > > > > Toyota family of engines. The engine has the potential of upward of > > making > > > > over 900hp. The engine was the same one Rod Millen used in the record > > > > breaking run in the AWD Celica at the Pikes Peak Race." > > > > --- > > > > > > > > The engine that Millen used on Pikes Peak bore absolutely no > resemblance > > > > whatsoever to a 3S. The engine was a complete custom built race unit > > that > > > > had roughly similar external dimensions to the 3S, but that's about > it. > > > It > > > > was running 80(!!!)psi boost, and there's no way that any 3S could > > handle > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, back to business. You're obviously well convinced that this > is > > > the > > > > right way to go - cool, fair enough, go you. Given you're trying to > do > > > your > > > > research, perhaps you'll take these as a few things to consider along > > the > > > > way: > > > > > > > > The 3SGE has a different block, rods and pistons to a stock 3SGTE. As > > per > > > > previous you'll find that they're below spec of what a 3SGTE has and > > > should > > > > be treated accordingly. It's in your best interests to treat them > > > carefully > > > > as I"m sure you don't want a dead engine on your hands. For example > the > > > > 3SGE lacks the oil sprayers in the block which spray oil onto the > bottom > > > of > > > > the pistons. These are designed to help absorb and distribute the > heat > > of > > > > combustion that is otherwise soaked up by the piston. > > > > > > > > Cam profile: N/A cams are far more agressive than turbo cams. This > > gives > > > > rise to problems when you turbo an N/A engine in a couple of areas. > > > Mostly > > > > the problems arise from the amount of overlap that the cams have. In > an > > > N/A > > > > engine when it's relying on vacuum to fill the cylinders there is a > > larger > > > > period of time when the exhaust valve is still open while the intake > > valve > > > > is opening in order to maximise the scavenging of exhaust gasses and > > > > induction of fresh charge. When a turbo is on the engine and there's > a > > > > great big hairdryer pushing the charge into the cylinder, that high > > amount > > > > of overlap will lead to fuel/air coming into the cylinder and straight > > > back > > > > out of the exhaust before the exhaust valve closes. That results in > > > unburnt > > > > fuel getting into the exhaust (where it can ignite from the heat and > > burn > > > in > > > > the turbo - not good for ceramic turbos!). Additionally the early > > opening > > > > of the exhaust valve after the combustion stroke will lead to more > > > > still-burning mixture exiting the cylinder (as opposed to an N/A > engine > > > > where the duration of the combution is much shorter with less fuel/air > > in > > > > the cylinder). The upshot of which is that you have to be very > careful > > > > about the temperature of your exhaust gasses leaving the engine if you > > > don't > > > > want to wreck your turbo. For a near-stock turbo'd engine you should > be > > > OK, > > > > but if you get tempted to up the boost then you've got problems. > > > > > > > > Knock sensing: The 3SGE has no knock sensor(s). In NZ this isn't a > > > > particularly pretty thing with our fuel. Detonation control in a > turbo > > > > engine is of paramount importance, and removing knock sensing isn't a > > good > > > > thing IMHO. If you're going to run a 3SGTE ECU etc then you'll have a > > > > problem with having nowhere to plug the knock sensor feeds into. Not > > sure > > > > what the ECU will do with this, but I suspect it'll end up in > limp-home > > > > mode. > > > > > > > > Lastly, consider what you'll do to the value of the car. The reason > I'm > > > > such a knocker of people who try to do engine swaps is that I've been > > > there > > > > and fùcked that up, and ended up sending the car to the wrecker > because > > it > > > > wasn't worth trying to cert/sell. Even if you make a pristine job of > > the > > > > conversion, you'll end up with a car that's of less value. People > won't > > > > touch it if you try to sell it, insurance companies won't want to know > > > you, > > > > and so on. Basically you're trying to create something that can > pretty > > > much > > > > be purchased out of the T&E - a turbo'd ST16x, give or take the 4WD. > > You > > > > can already go and buy one of those for about $4k. Isn't it better to > > buy > > > > something that'll retain some value, won't cost you moonbeams in > > > insurance, > > > > and will ultimately perform better? > > > > > > > > Hope this helps some. > > > > > > > > Cully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 20:53:00 <Headquarters> yeah, i think john rosser would agree on that since he got his new tyres lmao Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > traction?? wtf is that?? i've heard about it but yet to experience it..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Headquarters" <headquarters@toyperformance.org.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: 28 July, 2003 8:44 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > depends who gets traction first as to who will be looking at whos arse i > > think lol > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz> > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:41 PM > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > hey dont be talking bout my bum like dat.....neways thats all you'll see > > of > > > me as i boost off to the 1/4 mile horizon hahah > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Headquarters" <headquarters@toyperformance.org.nz> > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > > Sent: 28 July, 2003 8:37 PM > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > cheers for the novel cully lol > > > > yes i know that that website was wrong about rod millens car and i > know > > > > there are a few things i need to think about like that, but i am only > > gna > > > be > > > > running 6-8psi until i pull apart and do the internals and i will not > be > > > > going stupid and trying to push out 16psi or more even after the > > internals > > > > have been done > > > > > > > > with the cams, i have been told by 3 people that i dont need to worry > > > about > > > > them, as the gt4 owners are all putting 3sge cams in their 3sgte's and > > > > getting better performance and no problems > > > > > > > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i > > dont > > > > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless > its > > > > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > > > > > > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and > all > > > > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > > > > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > > > > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> > > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 8:08 PM > > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ummm, cully, go look at www.turbocelica.8m.com a turbo gen 1 3sge > > which > > > > is > > > > > exactly what im doing > > > > > > > > > > OK, I've had a look at that, and I've just about finished > shuddering. > > > > > Before I continue, I have to correct one thing first: > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > "The 3SGE.3SGTE series motor is one of the most innovative design in > > the > > > > > Toyota family of engines. The engine has the potential of upward of > > > making > > > > > over 900hp. The engine was the same one Rod Millen used in the > record > > > > > breaking run in the AWD Celica at the Pikes Peak Race." > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > The engine that Millen used on Pikes Peak bore absolutely no > > resemblance > > > > > whatsoever to a 3S. The engine was a complete custom built race > unit > > > that > > > > > had roughly similar external dimensions to the 3S, but that's about > > it. > > > > It > > > > > was running 80(!!!)psi boost, and there's no way that any 3S could > > > handle > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, back to business. You're obviously well convinced that this > > is > > > > the > > > > > right way to go - cool, fair enough, go you. Given you're trying to > > do > > > > your > > > > > research, perhaps you'll take these as a few things to consider > along > > > the > > > > > way: > > > > > > > > > > The 3SGE has a different block, rods and pistons to a stock 3SGTE. > As > > > per > > > > > previous you'll find that they're below spec of what a 3SGTE has and > > > > should > > > > > be treated accordingly. It's in your best interests to treat them > > > > carefully > > > > > as I"m sure you don't want a dead engine on your hands. For example > > the > > > > > 3SGE lacks the oil sprayers in the block which spray oil onto the > > bottom > > > > of > > > > > the pistons. These are designed to help absorb and distribute the > > heat > > > of > > > > > combustion that is otherwise soaked up by the piston. > > > > > > > > > > Cam profile: N/A cams are far more agressive than turbo cams. This > > > gives > > > > > rise to problems when you turbo an N/A engine in a couple of areas. > > > > Mostly > > > > > the problems arise from the amount of overlap that the cams have. > In > > an > > > > N/A > > > > > engine when it's relying on vacuum to fill the cylinders there is a > > > larger > > > > > period of time when the exhaust valve is still open while the intake > > > valve > > > > > is opening in order to maximise the scavenging of exhaust gasses and > > > > > induction of fresh charge. When a turbo is on the engine and > there's > > a > > > > > great big hairdryer pushing the charge into the cylinder, that high > > > amount > > > > > of overlap will lead to fuel/air coming into the cylinder and > straight > > > > back > > > > > out of the exhaust before the exhaust valve closes. That results in > > > > unburnt > > > > > fuel getting into the exhaust (where it can ignite from the heat and > > > burn > > > > in > > > > > the turbo - not good for ceramic turbos!). Additionally the early > > > opening > > > > > of the exhaust valve after the combustion stroke will lead to more > > > > > still-burning mixture exiting the cylinder (as opposed to an N/A > > engine > > > > > where the duration of the combution is much shorter with less > fuel/air > > > in > > > > > the cylinder). The upshot of which is that you have to be very > > careful > > > > > about the temperature of your exhaust gasses leaving the engine if > you > > > > don't > > > > > want to wreck your turbo. For a near-stock turbo'd engine you > should > > be > > > > OK, > > > > > but if you get tempted to up the boost then you've got problems. > > > > > > > > > > Knock sensing: The 3SGE has no knock sensor(s). In NZ this isn't a > > > > > particularly pretty thing with our fuel. Detonation control in a > > turbo > > > > > engine is of paramount importance, and removing knock sensing isn't > a > > > good > > > > > thing IMHO. If you're going to run a 3SGTE ECU etc then you'll have > a > > > > > problem with having nowhere to plug the knock sensor feeds into. > Not > > > sure > > > > > what the ECU will do with this, but I suspect it'll end up in > > limp-home > > > > > mode. > > > > > > > > > > Lastly, consider what you'll do to the value of the car. The reason > > I'm > > > > > such a knocker of people who try to do engine swaps is that I've > been > > > > there > > > > > and fùcked that up, and ended up sending the car to the wrecker > > because > > > it > > > > > wasn't worth trying to cert/sell. Even if you make a pristine job > of > > > the > > > > > conversion, you'll end up with a car that's of less value. People > > won't > > > > > touch it if you try to sell it, insurance companies won't want to > know > > > > you, > > > > > and so on. Basically you're trying to create something that can > > pretty > > > > much > > > > > be purchased out of the T&E - a turbo'd ST16x, give or take the 4WD. > > > You > > > > > can already go and buy one of those for about $4k. Isn't it better > to > > > buy > > > > > something that'll retain some value, won't cost you moonbeams in > > > > insurance, > > > > > and will ultimately perform better? > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps some. > > > > > > > > > > Cully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-28 21:01:00 <John Rosser> two words "they suck" good for drifting, but thats about it, car goes all the way off the clock over a distance that would usually only get you into second. can't get traction. and no dad, these aren't your old tyres, these are my shit ones. john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Headquarters" <headquarters@toyperformance.org.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:48 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > yeah, i think john rosser would agree on that since he got his new tyres > lmao > > Libby Cameron > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:44 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > traction?? wtf is that?? i've heard about it but yet to experience it..... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Headquarters" <headquarters@toyperformance.org.nz> > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > Sent: 28 July, 2003 8:44 PM > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > depends who gets traction first as to who will be looking at whos arse i > > > think lol > > > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz> > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:41 PM > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > hey dont be talking bout my bum like dat.....neways thats all you'll > see > > > of > > > > me as i boost off to the 1/4 mile horizon hahah > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Headquarters" <headquarters@toyperformance.org.nz> > > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > > > Sent: 28 July, 2003 8:37 PM > > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers for the novel cully lol > > > > > yes i know that that website was wrong about rod millens car and i > > know > > > > > there are a few things i need to think about like that, but i am > only > > > gna > > > > be > > > > > running 6-8psi until i pull apart and do the internals and i will > not > > be > > > > > going stupid and trying to push out 16psi or more even after the > > > internals > > > > > have been done > > > > > > > > > > with the cams, i have been told by 3 people that i dont need to > worry > > > > about > > > > > them, as the gt4 owners are all putting 3sge cams in their 3sgte's > and > > > > > getting better performance and no problems > > > > > > > > > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as > i > > > dont > > > > > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless > > its > > > > > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > > > > > > > > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and > > all > > > > > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > > > > > > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > > > > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> > > > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 8:08 PM > > > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ummm, cully, go look at www.turbocelica.8m.com a turbo gen 1 3sge > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > exactly what im doing > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, I've had a look at that, and I've just about finished > > shuddering. > > > > > > Before I continue, I have to correct one thing first: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > "The 3SGE.3SGTE series motor is one of the most innovative design > in > > > the > > > > > > Toyota family of engines. The engine has the potential of upward > of > > > > making > > > > > > over 900hp. The engine was the same one Rod Millen used in the > > record > > > > > > breaking run in the AWD Celica at the Pikes Peak Race." > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > The engine that Millen used on Pikes Peak bore absolutely no > > > resemblance > > > > > > whatsoever to a 3S. The engine was a complete custom built race > > unit > > > > that > > > > > > had roughly similar external dimensions to the 3S, but that's > about > > > it. > > > > > It > > > > > > was running 80(!!!)psi boost, and there's no way that any 3S could > > > > handle > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, back to business. You're obviously well convinced that > this > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > right way to go - cool, fair enough, go you. Given you're trying > to > > > do > > > > > your > > > > > > research, perhaps you'll take these as a few things to consider > > along > > > > the > > > > > > way: > > > > > > > > > > > > The 3SGE has a different block, rods and pistons to a stock 3SGTE. > > As > > > > per > > > > > > previous you'll find that they're below spec of what a 3SGTE has > and > > > > > should > > > > > > be treated accordingly. It's in your best interests to treat them > > > > > carefully > > > > > > as I"m sure you don't want a dead engine on your hands. For > example > > > the > > > > > > 3SGE lacks the oil sprayers in the block which spray oil onto the > > > bottom > > > > > of > > > > > > the pistons. These are designed to help absorb and distribute the > > > heat > > > > of > > > > > > combustion that is otherwise soaked up by the piston. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cam profile: N/A cams are far more agressive than turbo cams. > This > > > > gives > > > > > > rise to problems when you turbo an N/A engine in a couple of > areas. > > > > > Mostly > > > > > > the problems arise from the amount of overlap that the cams have. > > In > > > an > > > > > N/A > > > > > > engine when it's relying on vacuum to fill the cylinders there is > a > > > > larger > > > > > > period of time when the exhaust valve is still open while the > intake > > > > valve > > > > > > is opening in order to maximise the scavenging of exhaust gasses > and > > > > > > induction of fresh charge. When a turbo is on the engine and > > there's > > > a > > > > > > great big hairdryer pushing the charge into the cylinder, that > high > > > > amount > > > > > > of overlap will lead to fuel/air coming into the cylinder and > > straight > > > > > back > > > > > > out of the exhaust before the exhaust valve closes. That results > in > > > > > unburnt > > > > > > fuel getting into the exhaust (where it can ignite from the heat > and > > > > burn > > > > > in > > > > > > the turbo - not good for ceramic turbos!). Additionally the early > > > > opening > > > > > > of the exhaust valve after the combustion stroke will lead to more > > > > > > still-burning mixture exiting the cylinder (as opposed to an N/A > > > engine > > > > > > where the duration of the combution is much shorter with less > > fuel/air > > > > in > > > > > > the cylinder). The upshot of which is that you have to be very > > > careful > > > > > > about the temperature of your exhaust gasses leaving the engine if > > you > > > > > don't > > > > > > want to wreck your turbo. For a near-stock turbo'd engine you > > should > > > be > > > > > OK, > > > > > > but if you get tempted to up the boost then you've got problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > Knock sensing: The 3SGE has no knock sensor(s). In NZ this isn't > a > > > > > > particularly pretty thing with our fuel. Detonation control in a > > > turbo > > > > > > engine is of paramount importance, and removing knock sensing > isn't > > a > > > > good > > > > > > thing IMHO. If you're going to run a 3SGTE ECU etc then you'll > have > > a > > > > > > problem with having nowhere to plug the knock sensor feeds into. > > Not > > > > sure > > > > > > what the ECU will do with this, but I suspect it'll end up in > > > limp-home > > > > > > mode. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lastly, consider what you'll do to the value of the car. The > reason > > > I'm > > > > > > such a knocker of people who try to do engine swaps is that I've > > been > > > > > there > > > > > > and fùcked that up, and ended up sending the car to the wrecker > > > because > > > > it > > > > > > wasn't worth trying to cert/sell. Even if you make a pristine job > > of > > > > the > > > > > > conversion, you'll end up with a car that's of less value. People > > > won't > > > > > > touch it if you try to sell it, insurance companies won't want to > > know > > > > > you, > > > > > > and so on. Basically you're trying to create something that can > > > pretty > > > > > much > > > > > > be purchased out of the T&E - a turbo'd ST16x, give or take the > 4WD. > > > > You > > > > > > can already go and buy one of those for about $4k. 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 08:01:00 <Doig, Richard> >Also i have done sum research and found that i can derive more power from turboing and >working a 3sge than i can from working a 3sgte... Cully will be awaiting my reply to this! Why do you say you can get more power from a 3S-GE than a 3S-GTE??? Word your answer very carefully, I have a little 3S experience ;-) Also, to which generation are you referring? >up there full of gt4 parts and there aint much difference between a gt4 and >a gtr other than turbo and drivetrain Oh really? Richard ____________________________________________________________________ CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify Air New Zealand immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Air New Zealand. _____________________________________________________________________ For more information on the Air New Zealand Group, visit us online at http://www.airnewzealand.com _____________________________________________________________________

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 08:12:00 <Parts Imports> How much $$$ for those forged piston's ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted ummm, cully, go look at www.turbocelica.8m.com a turbo gen 1 3sge which is exactly what im doing this 3sge has successfully been turboed and fully modded to a more powerful turbo than a ct26.... I am doing my research as best i can but i dont have much time at the moment and im not rushing into this either as i dont really want to stuff it up. i have help from sum guys in auckland and a couple down here who know turbo's and the 3s family of motors it has also successfully been done by members of the Alltrac & GT4 club Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 7:00 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Do you mean a rising rate fuel pressure regulator? Compression ratio isn't the only issue when it comes to turboing vehicles, and putting in a thicker stronger gasket isn't always a good idea - head gaskets are designed to be the weakest link in the chain so that it blows before anything else gets damaged. Putting it in other terms, would you rather blow a gasket or melt a piston? Don't wish to pour cold water on this (I love modding, don't get me wrong), but I'm seeing some pitfalls that perhaps you haven't considered. Stock non turbo engines are often a lot weaker than their turbo cousins, and just because someone has done it doesn't mean to say it's long-term successful. At least it's a 3S you're trying to turbo, and not a 4A-FE ;-) Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I'm upgrading fuel pump to gt4 and running a fpr and i have 7mgte injectors so that solves the fueling problem 2ndly, there is only .7 difference in the compression between a 3sge and 3sgte and we'r putting a slightly thicker, most indestructable headgasket we can find besides, it has been done successfully, want the proof go look at http://www.turbocelica.8m.com Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Uh huh. I'm fairly sure that a 3SGTE complete can be had for less money that that these days. I'd be interested to hear how you intend to keep a 3SGE in one piece when you turbo it, particularly how you'll handle fueling under boost. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted considering id be looking at around $1500 for a 3sgte, plus loom and computer and the other costs involved and the way im doing this one is working out to be less than $1000 (due to contacts for cheap or free parts), 3sgte conversion isnt cheaper Also i have done sum research and found that i can derive more power from turboing and working a 3sge than i can from working a 3sgte... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, surely with the way you're going it'd be better to either: a: Buy a complete 3SGTE/loom/ECU and drop it in b: Buy a GT-Four instead. Either is going to produce a better car, and I'd almost bet that it'd be cheaper in the long run too. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted well, tho whole thing has been put on hold at the moment, due to i might be getting a better car to put the turbo on, so not entirely sure about piping yet, might be going full custom feeds including the bolt on parts but the guy who is gna be doing it wants the original parts to work off most of my ideas are coming from gt4's seeing as its a 3sge Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Well, you're kinda stuck then. It's next to impossible to adapt anything to the Toyota piping as it's really crap metal and can't be welded to. Where are you taking your oil feed from? ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Considering that there is no factory piping that will work on my little project, that doesnt matter too much kuz i have to get all custom piping anyway and for once, i actually know where that road is up there lmao Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted 110 Wairau Road, Glenfield. Finding the bit that fits the turbo end is a no brainer. Problem is that you need to match the rest of the pipe that snakes down to the block where the oil feed/drains are, and that's nearly impossible unless you already have one to match up with. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted whats their contact details?? id just take the turbo up there and find sumthing that fits lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Libby, If you get stuck Alltech has a big box full of offcasts which has some Toyota stuff in it. You'd need to get an example one to match up with though, as none of it is labeled or immediately identifyable. Cully ----- Original Message ----- From: Headquarters To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [sconz] ct26 parts wanted Has any1 got the bolt on bits off a ct26 for the oil and water feeds? they'r missing off mine.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 09:33:00 <Marc Archbold> Actually I think Cully has explained it easier terms than it would be :) Libby, I wish you best of luck with your project, but it sounds to me that you're heading in the direction of a very poorly performing engine, if not major meltdown and complete waste of cash. In the least consider the 3SGT over 3SGE. - Marc > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i > dont > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless its > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and > all > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > Libby Cameron > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 09:42:00 <Adrian Maka> At 09:24 AM 7/29/2003 +1200, you wrote: >Actually I think Cully has explained it easier terms than it would be :) > >Libby, I wish you best of luck with your project, but it sounds to me that >you're heading in the direction of a very poorly performing engine, if not >major meltdown and complete waste of cash. >In the least consider the 3SGT over 3SGE. Whats wrong with the 3SG? they are strong engines and will handle boost upto about 10psi comfortably. Only thing that will really be of concern is the compression and fueling., Right? I was told using the non turbo engine maybe a little quicker to revv as it doesn't have the heavier internals, compared to the NA ones. Anywyas.. im only going by what people have said but feel free to shoot me down :) Adrian / MrOizo >- Marc > > > > > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i > > dont > > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless its > > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and > > all > > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > > >--- >Supra Club of New Zealand >http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 09:53:00 <Marc Archbold> > Whats wrong with the 3SG? they are strong engines and will handle boost Nothing. Go back and read Cullys comments re the GT (Turbo engine) Vs GE (NA). > > upto about 10psi comfortably. Only thing that will really be of concern > is the compression and fueling., Right? There's a bit more to it than just these factors. > > I was told using the non turbo engine maybe a little quicker to revv as > it doesn't have the heavier internals, compared to the NA ones. They probably meltdown alot more quicker too :) > Anywyas.. im only going by what people have said but feel free to shoot > me down :) BANG :) > > Adrian / MrOizo > >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 09:54:00 <J Walker> I haven't put in my 2c yet..thought I'd better... I'm an advocate of doing outrageous things to engines so I can say 'hey - look what I did'. But at the end of it all, it only ever cost me $$$$$$$$ and all I had to speak of was a car that went well for about 6 months and then caved in on itself because it wasn't up to the task. This engine, like the 3S, has turbo cousins that are a HECK of a lot stronger internally, that would be well worth spending the money on. In regards to power, you say you can get more hp out of a turboed 3S-GE than a 3S-GTE. I can assure you that the same amount of money spent on a 3S-GTE (or indeed, a gt four), would be more satisfying in terms of originality, and cost effectiveness. Think of all the fabrication, and tuning you have to do. Hours and hours of tuning, just to get the right spark timing and fuel mixture. That's just the ignition and injection..then there's everything else you have to worry about when you take a 'family sports coupe' and make it a lot more powerful than it was supposed to be. I'm not just talking brakes. Please, PLEASE think very carefully before you go ahead with this, as you'll inevitably find yourself dripfeeding it more and more money, and when time comes to move on, what will it be worth? What happened to all the $ you spent? You have a cooked 3s-ge and an alrite turbocharger, and a standard st162 body. As I mentioned before, just my 2c! Regards, Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Archbold To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:24 AM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Actually I think Cully has explained it easier terms than it would be :) Libby, I wish you best of luck with your project, but it sounds to me that you're heading in the direction of a very poorly performing engine, if not major meltdown and complete waste of cash. In the least consider the 3SGT over 3SGE. - Marc > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i > dont > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless its > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and > all > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > Libby Cameron > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 10:02:00 <Headquarters> ok guys a lot of you are trying to either put me off this little project or sumthing but the thing is, i dont want to do what every1 else has been doing to their celicas adrian is right, the 3sge is capable of 8-10 psi boost without causing any problems, this has been proven by people doing this and suceeding, turns out also that wen they get traction lol, they are pulling faster 1/4 mile times than a gt4 yes there are differences that make the3sgte stronger, but i am taking my time with this little project and doing it the right way im not letting out all my secrets until its finished and goes up on our website, but we have all the little problems solved and i will be running 8psi without a meltdown remember peoples, the 3sge is one of the strongest motors toyota produced, and there have been many successful weird and wonderful things done to them watch and wait and hopefully u will all be proven wrong at suprafest 04 when it turns up and races without blowing up.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Maka" <adrian@clubaw.co.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:33 AM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > At 09:24 AM 7/29/2003 +1200, you wrote: > > >Actually I think Cully has explained it easier terms than it would be :) > > > >Libby, I wish you best of luck with your project, but it sounds to me that > >you're heading in the direction of a very poorly performing engine, if not > >major meltdown and complete waste of cash. > >In the least consider the 3SGT over 3SGE. > > Whats wrong with the 3SG? they are strong engines and will handle boost > upto about 10psi comfortably. Only thing that will really be of concern is > the compression and fueling., Right? > > I was told using the non turbo engine maybe a little quicker to revv as it > doesn't have the heavier internals, compared to the NA ones. > > Anywyas.. im only going by what people have said but feel free to shoot me > down :) > > Adrian / MrOizo > > > > >- Marc > > > > > > > > > > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i > > > dont > > > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless its > > > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > > > > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and > > > all > > > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Supra Club of New Zealand > >http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 11:59:00 <Marc Archbold> > ok guys > a lot of you are trying to either put me off this little project or sumthing It's advice and as such you can take it or leave it. You may also want to consider who is giving it, the experience and technical ability they have. > but the thing is, i dont want to do what every1 else has been doing to > their celicas > adrian is right, the 3sge is capable of 8-10 psi boost without causing any > problems, this has been proven by people doing this and suceeding, turns out > also that wen they get traction lol, they are pulling faster 1/4 mile times > than a gt4 yes there are differences that make the3sgte stronger, but i am Build the world's stongest engine, add detonation, hear the pistons melt. Think carefully about the differing engine designs, and why the developers deemed these differences important. Can you amagine how much Toyota spent on development. Bet these guys knew a thing or two :) > time with this little project and doing it the right way > im not letting out all my secrets until its finished and goes up on our > website, but we have all the little problems solved and i will be > running > 8psi without a meltdown > > remember peoples, the 3sge is one of the strongest motors toyota > produced, Stong yes, but we're talking TWO (Plus all the variants, revisions) different engines.... > and there have been many successful weird and wonderful things done to them > watch and wait and hopefully u will all be proven wrong at suprafest 04 > when it turns up and races without blowing up.... Pitty I probably wont be up this year to see it, was hoping it might be closer to home. Hope your budget includes hours of Dyno/tuning time. Good luck and above all I hope you have fun and learn something out of the project. - Marc > Libby Cameron > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 12:00:00 <Doig, Richard> > turns out > also that wen they get traction lol, That's the issue, when (or if) they get traction. What gearbox are you intending to use? MR2 Turbo converted to front engine configuration? >they are pulling faster > 1/4 mile times > than a gt4 To be expected from a lighter shell. Would they be quicker or a wet road? Nope. I fail to be impressed by 1/4 mile times as they don't correspond to real world driving. Put a few corners and bumps in the 1/4 and it would be more telling. Still a very interesting conversion. Just don't underestimate what is involved. Also remember that a lot of the people on the likes of celica.net are idiots who have paid someone else to do *everything*. A lot of the info on there was not figured out by those doing the conversions, I actually advised a few of the people on there regarding installation issues as they had no clue themselves. Richard ____________________________________________________________________ CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify Air New Zealand immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Air New Zealand. _____________________________________________________________________ For more information on the Air New Zealand Group, visit us online at http://www.airnewzealand.com _____________________________________________________________________

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 12:07:00 <Peter O> Sounds a lot like you don't want or need advice. Good luck, Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Headquarters Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 9:57 a.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted ok guys a lot of you are trying to either put me off this little project or sumthing but the thing is, i dont want to do what every1 else has been doing to their celicas adrian is right, the 3sge is capable of 8-10 psi boost without causing any problems, this has been proven by people doing this and suceeding, turns out also that wen they get traction lol, they are pulling faster 1/4 mile times than a gt4 yes there are differences that make the3sgte stronger, but i am taking my time with this little project and doing it the right way im not letting out all my secrets until its finished and goes up on our website, but we have all the little problems solved and i will be running 8psi without a meltdown remember peoples, the 3sge is one of the strongest motors toyota produced, and there have been many successful weird and wonderful things done to them watch and wait and hopefully u will all be proven wrong at suprafest 04 when it turns up and races without blowing up.... Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Maka" <adrian@clubaw.co.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:33 AM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > At 09:24 AM 7/29/2003 +1200, you wrote: > > >Actually I think Cully has explained it easier terms than it would be :) > > > >Libby, I wish you best of luck with your project, but it sounds to me that > >you're heading in the direction of a very poorly performing engine, if not > >major meltdown and complete waste of cash. > >In the least consider the 3SGT over 3SGE. > > Whats wrong with the 3SG? they are strong engines and will handle boost > upto about 10psi comfortably. Only thing that will really be of concern is > the compression and fueling., Right? > > I was told using the non turbo engine maybe a little quicker to revv as it > doesn't have the heavier internals, compared to the NA ones. > > Anywyas.. im only going by what people have said but feel free to shoot me > down :) > > Adrian / MrOizo > > > > >- Marc > > > > > > > > > > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i > > > dont > > > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless its > > > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > > > > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and > > > all > > > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Supra Club of New Zealand > >http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 12:31:00 <Parts Imports> 3SGT long block engine $900 inc St202 curren lsd 2wd 5spd $500+ with cv's Do it once do it right Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > Sounds a lot like you don't want or need advice. > Good luck, > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Headquarters > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 9:57 a.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > ok guys > a lot of you are trying to either put me off this little project or > sumthing > but the thing is, i dont want to do what every1 else has been doing to > their > celicas > > adrian is right, the 3sge is capable of 8-10 psi boost without causing > any > problems, this has been proven by people doing this and suceeding, > turns out > also that wen they get traction lol, they are pulling faster 1/4 mile > times > than a gt4 > yes there are differences that make the3sgte stronger, but i am taking > my > time with this little project and doing it the right way > im not letting out all my secrets until its finished and goes up on > our > website, but we have all the little problems solved and i will be > running > 8psi without a meltdown > > remember peoples, the 3sge is one of the strongest motors toyota > produced, > and there have been many successful weird and wonderful things done to > them > > watch and wait and hopefully u will all be proven wrong at suprafest > 04 when > it turns up and races without blowing up.... > > Libby Cameron > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Maka" <adrian@clubaw.co.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:33 AM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > At 09:24 AM 7/29/2003 +1200, you wrote: > > > > >Actually I think Cully has explained it easier terms than it would > be :) > > > > > >Libby, I wish you best of luck with your project, but it sounds to > me > that > > >you're heading in the direction of a very poorly performing engine, > if > not > > >major meltdown and complete waste of cash. > > >In the least consider the 3SGT over 3SGE. > > > > Whats wrong with the 3SG? they are strong engines and will handle > boost > > upto about 10psi comfortably. Only thing that will really be of > concern is > > the compression and fueling., Right? > > > > I was told using the non turbo engine maybe a little quicker to revv > as it > > doesn't have the heavier internals, compared to the NA ones. > > > > Anywyas.. im only going by what people have said but feel free to > shoot me > > down :) > > > > Adrian / MrOizo > > > > > > > > >- Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well > as i > > > > dont > > > > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it > unless > its > > > > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > > > > > > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, > and > > > > all > > > > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > > > > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > >Supra Club of New Zealand > > >http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 13:54:00 <Hunt M> I think good on ya!!! doing something that hasn't really been done in NZ before....or at least other than profesionally.....go for it....I know that when doing mine there were ALOT off ppl saying to just buy an already turbo'd supra and not bother with the conversion but I did it mainly by myself and I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing that you've gone against what other ppl have said and succeded Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Archbold" <marc.a@paradise.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 9:24 AM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > Actually I think Cully has explained it easier terms than it would be :) > > Libby, I wish you best of luck with your project, but it sounds to me that > you're heading in the direction of a very poorly performing engine, if not > major meltdown and complete waste of cash. > In the least consider the 3SGT over 3SGE. > > - Marc > > > > > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well as i > > dont > > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it unless its > > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, and > > all > > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:01:00 <Hunt M> > > I fail to be impressed by 1/4 mile times as they don't correspond to real > world driving. Put a few corners and bumps in the 1/4 and it would be more > telling. 1/4 mile times are not suposed to simulate "real world" driving other wise it would be illegal to do a burn out, illegal to launch to hard, and you wouldn't be able to go over 100kmph!!! 1/4 times are there to compare two (or more) different cars as the atmosphere and conditions are the same as the person next to you. There would be no point in saying "I got a 13.5 on this 400meter stretch of road!!" when you mate with an actually slower car can do 12 on a 400 meter stretch but one was lumpy and full of pot holes and corners and one was not..... my 2cents Hunt

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:02:00 <Hunt M> She needs the advice but she is female so its hard for her to accept it....."waits for the nastys hehe" Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > Sounds a lot like you don't want or need advice. > Good luck, > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Headquarters > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 9:57 a.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > ok guys > a lot of you are trying to either put me off this little project or > sumthing > but the thing is, i dont want to do what every1 else has been doing to > their > celicas > > adrian is right, the 3sge is capable of 8-10 psi boost without causing > any > problems, this has been proven by people doing this and suceeding, > turns out > also that wen they get traction lol, they are pulling faster 1/4 mile > times > than a gt4 > yes there are differences that make the3sgte stronger, but i am taking > my > time with this little project and doing it the right way > im not letting out all my secrets until its finished and goes up on > our > website, but we have all the little problems solved and i will be > running > 8psi without a meltdown > > remember peoples, the 3sge is one of the strongest motors toyota > produced, > and there have been many successful weird and wonderful things done to > them > > watch and wait and hopefully u will all be proven wrong at suprafest > 04 when > it turns up and races without blowing up.... > > Libby Cameron > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Maka" <adrian@clubaw.co.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:33 AM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > At 09:24 AM 7/29/2003 +1200, you wrote: > > > > >Actually I think Cully has explained it easier terms than it would > be :) > > > > > >Libby, I wish you best of luck with your project, but it sounds to > me > that > > >you're heading in the direction of a very poorly performing engine, > if > not > > >major meltdown and complete waste of cash. > > >In the least consider the 3SGT over 3SGE. > > > > Whats wrong with the 3SG? they are strong engines and will handle > boost > > upto about 10psi comfortably. Only thing that will really be of > concern is > > the compression and fueling., Right? > > > > I was told using the non turbo engine maybe a little quicker to revv > as it > > doesn't have the heavier internals, compared to the NA ones. > > > > Anywyas.. im only going by what people have said but feel free to > shoot me > > down :) > > > > Adrian / MrOizo > > > > > > > > >- Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well > as i > > > > dont > > > > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it > unless > its > > > > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > > > > > > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, > and > > > > all > > > > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > > > > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > >Supra Club of New Zealand > > >http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:02:00 <Hunt M> > > Do it once do it right > Jason Do it many times and learn and have fun along the way!! :-) Hunt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:59 AM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > Sounds a lot like you don't want or need advice. > > Good luck, > > > > Pete > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Headquarters > > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 9:57 a.m. > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > ok guys > > a lot of you are trying to either put me off this little project or > > sumthing > > but the thing is, i dont want to do what every1 else has been doing to > > their > > celicas > > > > adrian is right, the 3sge is capable of 8-10 psi boost without causing > > any > > problems, this has been proven by people doing this and suceeding, > > turns out > > also that wen they get traction lol, they are pulling faster 1/4 mile > > times > > than a gt4 > > yes there are differences that make the3sgte stronger, but i am taking > > my > > time with this little project and doing it the right way > > im not letting out all my secrets until its finished and goes up on > > our > > website, but we have all the little problems solved and i will be > > running > > 8psi without a meltdown > > > > remember peoples, the 3sge is one of the strongest motors toyota > > produced, > > and there have been many successful weird and wonderful things done to > > them > > > > watch and wait and hopefully u will all be proven wrong at suprafest > > 04 when > > it turns up and races without blowing up.... > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > www.toyperformance.org.nz > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adrian Maka" <adrian@clubaw.co.nz> > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:33 AM > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > At 09:24 AM 7/29/2003 +1200, you wrote: > > > > > > >Actually I think Cully has explained it easier terms than it would > > be :) > > > > > > > >Libby, I wish you best of luck with your project, but it sounds to > > me > > that > > > >you're heading in the direction of a very poorly performing engine, > > if > > not > > > >major meltdown and complete waste of cash. > > > >In the least consider the 3SGT over 3SGE. > > > > > > Whats wrong with the 3SG? they are strong engines and will handle > > boost > > > upto about 10psi comfortably. Only thing that will really be of > > concern is > > > the compression and fueling., Right? > > > > > > I was told using the non turbo engine maybe a little quicker to revv > > as it > > > doesn't have the heavier internals, compared to the NA ones. > > > > > > Anywyas.. im only going by what people have said but feel free to > > shoot me > > > down :) > > > > > > Adrian / MrOizo > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your trying to make it sound harder than it actually is, as well > > as i > > > > > dont > > > > > really care about the cars value as i will not be selling it > > unless > > its > > > > > written off and then itd be to a wrecker without the motor lol > > > > > > > > > > just watch and wait, itl be at suprafest next year, racing hunt, > > and > > > > > all > > > > > going well, maybe even kicking is puny little butt :-P > > > > > > > > > > Libby Cameron > > > > > > > > > > Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > > >Supra Club of New Zealand > > > >http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:04:00 <Doig, Richard> > > Do it once do it right > > > Jason > > Do it many times and learn and have fun along the way!! :-) > > Hunt That's good for your business aye Jason! ;-) Richard ____________________________________________________________________ CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify Air New Zealand immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Air New Zealand. _____________________________________________________________________ For more information on the Air New Zealand Group, visit us online at http://www.airnewzealand.com _____________________________________________________________________

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:07:00 <Hunt M> hahaha wasn't sposed to be good or bad....just my theory on cars ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doig, Richard" <Richard.Doig@airnz.co.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > Do it once do it right > > > > > Jason > > > > Do it many times and learn and have fun along the way!! :-) > > > > Hunt > > That's good for your business aye Jason! ;-) > > Richard > > ____________________________________________________________________ > CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential > information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction > of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in > error please notify Air New Zealand immediately. Any views expressed > in this message are those of the individual sender and may not > necessarily reflect the views of Air New Zealand. > _____________________________________________________________________ > For more information on the Air New Zealand Group, visit us online > at http://www.airnewzealand.com > _____________________________________________________________________ > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:29:00 <Cully Paterson> > -----Original Message----- > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > that you've gone > against what other ppl have said and succeded Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you mod it. Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. Cully

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:33:00 <Parts Imports> Personally I don't like selling the same part three times because people will not listen to good advice giving Example co/of NZPC .....can I run 6psi on my non turbo primera engine ??....yea sure with enough fuel she be sweet .......after the man bolted on the turbo fist drive BANG hey why can I now see my crank !! And he asked for .........ANOTHER na engine I sold him the correct turbo engine Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doig, Richard" <Richard.Doig@airnz.co.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > Do it once do it right > > > > > Jason > > > > Do it many times and learn and have fun along the way!! :-) > > > > Hunt > > That's good for your business aye Jason! ;-) > > Richard > > ____________________________________________________________________ > CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential > information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction > of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in > error please notify Air New Zealand immediately. Any views expressed > in this message are those of the individual sender and may not > necessarily reflect the views of Air New Zealand. > _____________________________________________________________________ > For more information on the Air New Zealand Group, visit us online > at http://www.airnewzealand.com > _____________________________________________________________________ > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:43:00 <Hunt M> hahah yeah i know Cully but my car goes fine and dandy and will race at Meremere anytime and be able to drive home without any issues (ie no BHG hehe sorry but i had to)....Rev counter doesnt work and I know why but are too lazy to fix. The cert had NOTHING to do with my engine swap as it was to do with my springs. My engine wont idle.....where did that come from? Oh actually I do remember that and it was due to me not putting the plenum chamber on correctly....or at least not tightening it up so no biggy.... A 7M that would be faster than what I have got now? I'm pretty sure that a standard 7M would not be able to do a 15.3 on Meremere....just ask Suze!!!! Don't get me wrong tho Cully and anyone else out there....I AM VERY gratefull for all your thoughts comments and help over the last year!! Cheers Hunt Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you mod it. Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. Cully --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:44:00 <Hunt M> Ok yes that was a bummer and "if" it were me and for some weird and odd reason i had a primera even tho the engine blew up pretty quick after a drive I still would've learnt how to put a primera engine in pretty quick hahah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Parts Imports" <parts-imports@xtra.co.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > Personally I don't like selling the same part three times because people > will not listen to good advice giving > > Example co/of NZPC .....can I run 6psi on my non turbo primera engine > ??....yea sure with enough fuel she be sweet .......after the man bolted on > the turbo fist drive BANG hey why can I now see my crank !! > > And he asked for .........ANOTHER na engine > > I sold him the correct turbo engine > > Jason > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doig, Richard" <Richard.Doig@airnz.co.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:56 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > Do it once do it right > > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > Do it many times and learn and have fun along the way!! :-) > > > > > > Hunt > > > > That's good for your business aye Jason! ;-) > > > > Richard > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential > > information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. > > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > > notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction > > of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in > > error please notify Air New Zealand immediately. Any views expressed > > in this message are those of the individual sender and may not > > necessarily reflect the views of Air New Zealand. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > For more information on the Air New Zealand Group, visit us online > > at http://www.airnewzealand.com > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:45:00 <Doig, Richard> >I'm pretty sure that a standard 7M would not be able to do a 15.3 on Meremere Is it just me, or is 15.3 a really slow 1/4? Richard ____________________________________________________________________ CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify Air New Zealand immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Air New Zealand. _____________________________________________________________________ For more information on the Air New Zealand Group, visit us online at http://www.airnewzealand.com _____________________________________________________________________

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:47:00 <Hunt M> so is 16.5 lets wind your boost to 6psi and see what you get..... Will be going for mid 14's on the 10th of august Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doig, Richard" <Richard.Doig@airnz.co.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > >I'm pretty sure that a standard 7M would not be able to do a 15.3 on > Meremere > > > Is it just me, or is 15.3 a really slow 1/4? > > Richard > > ____________________________________________________________________ > CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential > information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction > of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in > error please notify Air New Zealand immediately. Any views expressed > in this message are those of the individual sender and may not > necessarily reflect the views of Air New Zealand. > _____________________________________________________________________ > For more information on the Air New Zealand Group, visit us online > at http://www.airnewzealand.com > _____________________________________________________________________ > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

	Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:52:00 <Cully Paterson> > A 7M that would be faster than what I have got now? I'm pretty sure that a > standard 7M would not be able to do a 15.3 on Meremere Best info I can find is that a stock manual 7M does 15.6. Crank up the boost to the normal 12psi stock max.... bye bye....

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 14:57:00 <Hunt M> i would be thinking about 15.2's or 3's for a manual cos dads did a 15.6 when his engine and turbo were cooked.... Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > A 7M that would be faster than what I have got now? I'm pretty sure that a > > standard 7M would not be able to do a 15.3 on Meremere > > Best info I can find is that a stock manual 7M does 15.6. Crank up the > boost to the normal 12psi stock max.... bye bye.... > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 15:11:00 <Parts Imports> 13.5 12psi stock turbo overfueling/boost leak Common supra fest 04 Jason PS next time I'll get to 4th gear ........................ha ha ha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > A 7M that would be faster than what I have got now? I'm pretty sure that a > > standard 7M would not be able to do a 15.3 on Meremere > > Best info I can find is that a stock manual 7M does 15.6. Crank up the > boost to the normal 12psi stock max.... bye bye.... > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 15:22:00 <Hunt M> 15.3 stock hairdryers @ 6psi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Parts Imports" <parts-imports@xtra.co.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > 13.5 12psi stock turbo > overfueling/boost leak > > Common supra fest 04 > > Jason > PS next time I'll get to 4th gear ........................ha ha ha > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:46 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > A 7M that would be faster than what I have got now? I'm pretty sure that > a > > > standard 7M would not be able to do a 15.3 on Meremere > > > > Best info I can find is that a stock manual 7M does 15.6. Crank up the > > boost to the normal 12psi stock max.... bye bye.... > > > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 15:25:00 <Marc Archbold> And your point is? > 15.3 stock hairdryers @ 6psi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Parts Imports" <parts-imports@xtra.co.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:03 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > 13.5 12psi stock turbo > > overfueling/boost leak > > > > Common supra fest 04 > > > > Jason > > PS next time I'll get to 4th gear ........................ha ha ha > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:46 PM > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > > A 7M that would be faster than what I have got now? I'm pretty > sure > that > > a > > > > standard 7M would not be able to do a 15.3 on Meremere > > > > > > Best info I can find is that a stock manual 7M does 15.6. Crank up > the > > > boost to the normal 12psi stock max.... bye bye.... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 15:26:00 <Hunt M> same as jasons....none ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Archbold" <marc.a@paradise.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > And your point is? > > > > 15.3 stock hairdryers @ 6psi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Parts Imports" <parts-imports@xtra.co.nz> > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:03 PM > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > 13.5 12psi stock turbo > > > overfueling/boost leak > > > > > > Common supra fest 04 > > > > > > Jason > > > PS next time I'll get to 4th gear ........................ha ha ha > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:46 PM > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A 7M that would be faster than what I have got now? I'm pretty > > sure > > that > > > a > > > > > standard 7M would not be able to do a 15.3 on Meremere > > > > > > > > Best info I can find is that a stock manual 7M does 15.6. Crank up > > the > > > > boost to the normal 12psi stock max.... bye bye.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 15:26:00 <Hunt M> how does 13.8 @ 10psi sound? oh and with a slightly screwed up 2nd gear change..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Archbold" <marc.a@paradise.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > And your point is? > > > > 15.3 stock hairdryers @ 6psi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Parts Imports" <parts-imports@xtra.co.nz> > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:03 PM > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > 13.5 12psi stock turbo > > > overfueling/boost leak > > > > > > Common supra fest 04 > > > > > > Jason > > > PS next time I'll get to 4th gear ........................ha ha ha > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:46 PM > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A 7M that would be faster than what I have got now? I'm pretty > > sure > > that > > > a > > > > > standard 7M would not be able to do a 15.3 on Meremere > > > > > > > > Best info I can find is that a stock manual 7M does 15.6. Crank up > > the > > > > boost to the normal 12psi stock max.... bye bye.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 15:39:00 <Peter O> I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my mates actually. What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to 300hp without inducing premature component failure. I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking inside & out (the feelgoods). I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time here. Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. Pete ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --- -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > -----Original Message----- > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > that you've gone > against what other ppl have said and succeded Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you mod it. Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. Cully --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 15:45:00 <Cully Paterson> One by one: > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, Nothing more than pretty much normal wear. There's been one recent failure on a third party clutch. > auto Granted, but any auto of this age is liable to fail. >, g/box Not manuals - no problems with those. >, engine Very few people have had outright failures. If they have it's usually been tracable to one particular screw up/fault. >, & turbo problems Only with CT12As on 1JZs. >, & traction problems apparently. Only for those whose idea of fun is to drag race in winter. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. Correct. Stick with that thought. Cully

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 15:48:00 <Andy S> > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say > $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was > "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone > please. If i had $12000, i would buy an NZ new Mk3 facelift 3.0 turbo, 5 spd, low mileage. There's actually a nice red one at miles used toyota in christchurch :-) I wouldn't go for a 2L supra if i wanted to mod it. I do own a 1GGTE supra myself, but only as a daily driver which it is fine for that purpose. I would not go for a 1JZGTE either as modding is too expensive in my opinion on these motors. An NZ new Mk2 84-85 would be nice too with a 2JZGTE conversion (hehe), but i doubt you would find one unless David Linton wants to sell his :-) A non turbo Mk4 might just be in your budget, but i wouldn't bother with that either if i wanted to modify. Cheers Andy S ===== Visit my website http://andy.supras.org.nz Home of the 5MGE-->7MGTE conversion! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 15:55:00 <John Rosser> i do have to agree with cully on this one, although i can't relate through personal experience about the manual box or clutches, seen as mine is auto. my auto is shot due to poor maintanance by a past owner, which caused the plates to glaze, and things have just got worse since i got it (i know i didn't really take care of it that well either). as for the motor trouble i had last year, that is also neglect on my part, i had an existing coolant leak somewhere, and until i could sort it, i just kept topping up the coolant on water. hence, head went south, so did the HG. the ct12a's don't seem to be a problem as long as people don't try to wring every last ounce out of them, they were never designed as overly powerful turbo'es, so everyone wonders why they fail when they throw more than 1 bar boost at them. heh, and as for the traction, what do you expect from a bunch of guy's playing silly buggers on a 1/4 mile strip? traction was never going to be there anyway, lol!! at the end of the day, i've had my supra for three years, and other than little niggles that is just personal stuff, nothing against the car itself, i love the supra, and honestly thing i will never goto anything else. john ahh, now that rants over, i'm going for coffee. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > One by one: > > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > > Nothing more than pretty much normal wear. There's been one recent failure > on a third party clutch. > > > > auto > > Granted, but any auto of this age is liable to fail. > > > >, g/box > > Not manuals - no problems with those. > > > >, engine > > Very few people have had outright failures. If they have it's usually been > tracable to one particular screw up/fault. > > > >, & turbo problems > > Only with CT12As on 1JZs. > > > >, & traction problems apparently. > > Only for those whose idea of fun is to drag race in winter. > > > > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > > Correct. Stick with that thought. > > > Cully > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 16:16:00 <Hunt M> I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 16:23:00 <Hunt M> oh and some more cents from me...... I bet if you were to read other performance car email lists or forums or whatever there would be just as many post about things that have gone wrong with their cars yes/no/maybe i dunno just a guess....a small hit and defending the good ol' supras Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 16:39:00 <Peter O> Hunt, Your sheer energy & enthusiasm is at once sobering to witness & a question of credibility. Traction is absolutely important, for amongst other things, winter unexpected power demands. For safe high speed driving under NZ conditions traction is again important. I believe the Torsen diff delivers power to the road if good tyres are used. Brakes if properly sized in ABS form, will generally be more than adequate for stopping. Vehicle weigh is what the manufacturers & modders have to consider, hence Audi Quatro, Jag X type & Mitsi GTO - all 4WD - all with near perfect traction. What I do not know is will the Torsen with decent tyres (max size 225x45x17 ???)deliver 300hp to the road, dry & wet?? How well does this apply to fast launch, say "dropped" clutch at 3000rpm. Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Hunt M Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:12 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 16:50:00 <Peter O> I do soak up what available on some other car sites. The truth is that generally the NZ Supra site is very active, full of practical people able & willing to help & at least comparable with anything I have seen elsewhere on the net. I think on the whole Supra failures here are rather more obvious & a bit scary. Just recently tho, a huge amount of not so helpful traffic that is mainly one to one & perhaps more suited to Mobile phone texting (IMHO). Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Hunt M Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:19 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted oh and some more cents from me...... I bet if you were to read other performance car email lists or forums or whatever there would be just as many post about things that have gone wrong with their cars yes/no/maybe i dunno just a guess....a small hit and defending the good ol' supras Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 16:55:00 <Hunt M> OK so now i'm really confused hahah....that first sentence....was that a hit at me....a poke poke....cos i fully didnt understand it at all hahhah traction....yes....is important....but not always important to have fun!! Ok sure a few weeks ago when I went down traction was a hell of an issue (spinning and sideways most through 2nd) but i had an awesome time....didnt go down to beat my time but went down to do some burnouts and ring the crap out of a very understressed motor Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > Hunt, > > Your sheer energy & enthusiasm is at once sobering to witness & a > question of credibility. > Traction is absolutely important, for amongst other things, winter > unexpected power demands. > For safe high speed driving under NZ conditions traction is again > important. > I believe the Torsen diff delivers power to the road if good tyres are > used. > Brakes if properly sized in ABS form, will generally be more than > adequate for stopping. > Vehicle weigh is what the manufacturers & modders have to consider, > hence Audi Quatro, Jag X type & Mitsi GTO - all 4WD - all with near > perfect traction. > > What I do not know is will the Torsen with decent tyres (max size > 225x45x17 ???)deliver 300hp to the road, dry & wet?? > How well does this apply to fast launch, say "dropped" clutch at > 3000rpm. > > Pete > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Hunt M > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:12 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work > that > has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has > basically ALL > been done by myself with help from guys on here > > as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car > from > 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah > > Hunt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > > mates actually. > > > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems > apparently. > > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, > rather > > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > > here. > > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > > > Pete > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > --- > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > > that you've gone > > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction > of > > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M > Mk-III > > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > > mod it. > > > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no > matter. > > > > Cully > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 16:57:00 <J Walker> Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 17:10:00 <Peter O> Simple just like I said your enthusiasm is wonderful. But also I would think twice about your advice, because you are driven by different needs. I like a good buzz too but traction matters so I like to be aware of how to fix. Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Hunt M Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:51 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted OK so now i'm really confused hahah....that first sentence....was that a hit at me....a poke poke....cos i fully didnt understand it at all hahhah traction....yes....is important....but not always important to have fun!! Ok sure a few weeks ago when I went down traction was a hell of an issue (spinning and sideways most through 2nd) but i had an awesome time....didnt go down to beat my time but went down to do some burnouts and ring the crap out of a very understressed motor Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > Hunt, > > Your sheer energy & enthusiasm is at once sobering to witness & a > question of credibility. > Traction is absolutely important, for amongst other things, winter > unexpected power demands. > For safe high speed driving under NZ conditions traction is again > important. > I believe the Torsen diff delivers power to the road if good tyres are > used. > Brakes if properly sized in ABS form, will generally be more than > adequate for stopping. > Vehicle weigh is what the manufacturers & modders have to consider, > hence Audi Quatro, Jag X type & Mitsi GTO - all 4WD - all with near > perfect traction. > > What I do not know is will the Torsen with decent tyres (max size > 225x45x17 ???)deliver 300hp to the road, dry & wet?? > How well does this apply to fast launch, say "dropped" clutch at > 3000rpm. > > Pete > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Hunt M > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:12 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work > that > has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has > basically ALL > been done by myself with help from guys on here > > as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car > from > 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah > > Hunt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > > mates actually. > > > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems > apparently. > > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, > rather > > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > > here. > > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > > > Pete > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > --- > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > > that you've gone > > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction > of > > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M > Mk-III > > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > > mod it. > > > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no > matter. > > > > Cully > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 17:15:00 <Peter O> Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 17:20:00 <Hunt M> yes but what i am saying is what cully pointed out earlier....theres no point in going down in such a beast such as mine *cough cough* LOL....during the winter to try and get awesome times.....sure the air is cold and you have heaps of power but so is the track....its all fine and dandy warming up street tires and making the track all black and yucky with street rubber (being a hypocrite now arent i) but the track is still cold and slippery As with most cars.....tires make the world of difference.....theres no point in buying 265 tires if they are crap...you could prolly do better with decent 225's make the car squat when launching.....soften the shocks and springs and left that wieght go straight to the back.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:02 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > Simple just like I said your enthusiasm is wonderful. > But also I would think twice about your advice, because you are driven > by different needs. > I like a good buzz too but traction matters so I like to be aware of > how to fix. > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Hunt M > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:51 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > OK so now i'm really confused hahah....that first sentence....was that > a hit > at me....a poke poke....cos i fully didnt understand it at all hahhah > traction....yes....is important....but not always important to have > fun!! Ok > sure a few weeks ago when I went down traction was a hell of an issue > (spinning and sideways most through 2nd) but i had an awesome > time....didnt > go down to beat my time but went down to do some burnouts and ring the > crap > out of a very understressed motor > > Hunt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > Sent: 29 July, 2003 4:31 PM > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > Hunt, > > > > Your sheer energy & enthusiasm is at once sobering to witness & a > > question of credibility. > > Traction is absolutely important, for amongst other things, winter > > unexpected power demands. > > For safe high speed driving under NZ conditions traction is again > > important. > > I believe the Torsen diff delivers power to the road if good tyres > are > > used. > > Brakes if properly sized in ABS form, will generally be more than > > adequate for stopping. > > Vehicle weigh is what the manufacturers & modders have to consider, > > hence Audi Quatro, Jag X type & Mitsi GTO - all 4WD - all with near > > perfect traction. > > > > What I do not know is will the Torsen with decent tyres (max size > > 225x45x17 ???)deliver 300hp to the road, dry & wet?? > > How well does this apply to fast launch, say "dropped" clutch at > > 3000rpm. > > > > Pete > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Hunt M > > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:12 p.m. > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the > work > > that > > has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has > > basically ALL > > been done by myself with help from guys on here > > > > as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone > car > > from > > 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah > > > > Hunt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> > > Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > > > mates actually. > > > > > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with > clutch, > > > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems > > apparently. > > > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, > > rather > > > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding > to > > > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > > > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > > > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good > looking > > > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > > > > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > > > here. > > > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > > > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > > > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > > > > > Pete > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > --- > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > > > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > > > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > > > that you've gone > > > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > > > > > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the > dissatisfaction > > of > > > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > > > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter > doesn't > > > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for > having > > > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 > you > > > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M > > Mk-III > > > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before > you > > > mod it. > > > > > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no > > matter. > > > > > > Cully > > > > > > --- > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > > --- > > Supra Club of New Zealand > > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 17:21:00 <Hunt M> oh shoot....you put LSD and torsen in the same sentence....wait for the flames hahahah I dont understand what makes a torsen so good? surely a decent working LSD will do the same job? why is a torsen better for drag racing than a lock diff? ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 17:37:00 <J Walker> More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 17:59:00 <Hunt M> do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 18:03:00 <John Rosser> think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 18:04:00 <Cully Paterson> GA70 = 1G MA70 = 7M Spot the similarity of the letters on each side. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 18:12:00 <Hunt M> now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 18:24:00 <Cully Paterson> You go for your life Hunt. I'll show you proof with Toyota written all over it that they didn't... ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 18:28:00 <J Walker> Hunt, Show me a GA-70 that rolled out of the factory with a 7M or an MA70 that rolled out with a 1G and I'll buy you not only a drink, but 2 dozen drinks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 18:29:00 <Hunt M> ok just checking.... hahah i'm suprised you didnt let me rumage around for hours on end trying to find some info then tell me that its not possible hahahah ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted You go for your life Hunt. I'll show you proof with Toyota written all over it that they didn't... ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 18:30:00 <Hunt M> any factory? the garage at silverdale that i used to work on my car in was rather large....could've been considered a factory....altho didnt roll out....kinda got kicked as things wouldnt go to plan haha sorry im blabbering ok John and Cully point taken but you know me....gotta give some ppl something to talk about :) ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Hunt, Show me a GA-70 that rolled out of the factory with a 7M or an MA70 that rolled out with a 1G and I'll buy you not only a drink, but 2 dozen drinks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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	Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 18:34:00 <Marc Archbold> Hunt - JZA70? > think about it hunt > ga70 = 1g motor > ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! > lol > > john >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 18:36:00 <J Walker> Check the chassis number of some Toyota cars, and then check the engine numbers. You'll find that the first chassis character(s) is(are) the engine series code. St celica, JZa supra, Rx cressida, Mz Soarer ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted ok just checking.... hahah i'm suprised you didnt let me rumage around for hours on end trying to find some info then tell me that its not possible hahahah ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted You go for your life Hunt. I'll show you proof with Toyota written all over it that they didn't... ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 18:52:00 <Hunt M> see told ya I'd kick up some sort of storm But it kinda backfired on me cos its actually kinda usefull info.....XT Corona tho has/had a 2T and 3T motor in....so it should've been TX not XT hehee Really i was just making sure Cully and anyone else isnt on that hoochy weed again hehe Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Check the chassis number of some Toyota cars, and then check the engine numbers. You'll find that the first chassis character(s) is(are) the engine series code. St celica, JZa supra, Rx cressida, Mz Soarer ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted ok just checking.... hahah i'm suprised you didnt let me rumage around for hours on end trying to find some info then tell me that its not possible hahahah ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted You go for your life Hunt. I'll show you proof with Toyota written all over it that they didn't... ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 18:58:00 <Headquarters> Umm, small little glitch there jonathon, the cst162 celicas also came out with 4age but to carry on a bit, AE82/85/86/92/101/111 all had either 3A, 4A, 4Afe or 4Age, 4Agze... k series starlets and rollas... 2K, 3K, 4K... i think il stop now lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Check the chassis number of some Toyota cars, and then check the engine numbers. You'll find that the first chassis character(s) is(are) the engine series code. St celica, JZa supra, Rx cressida, Mz Soarer ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted ok just checking.... hahah i'm suprised you didnt let me rumage around for hours on end trying to find some info then tell me that its not possible hahahah ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted You go for your life Hunt. I'll show you proof with Toyota written all over it that they didn't... ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 19:09:00 <Headquarters> well done hunt, u blew the theories... lol Libby Cameron Bugger the rest... TOYOTAS DA BEST!!!!! www.toyperformance.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:45 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted see told ya I'd kick up some sort of storm But it kinda backfired on me cos its actually kinda usefull info.....XT Corona tho has/had a 2T and 3T motor in....so it should've been TX not XT hehee Really i was just making sure Cully and anyone else isnt on that hoochy weed again hehe Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Check the chassis number of some Toyota cars, and then check the engine numbers. You'll find that the first chassis character(s) is(are) the engine series code. St celica, JZa supra, Rx cressida, Mz Soarer ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted ok just checking.... hahah i'm suprised you didnt let me rumage around for hours on end trying to find some info then tell me that its not possible hahahah ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted You go for your life Hunt. I'll show you proof with Toyota written all over it that they didn't... ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 21:02:00 <Rob M> I have a US car mag test of a stock1990 7MGTE manual doing15.0 to 15.2. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > A 7M that would be faster than what I have got now? I'm pretty sure that a > > standard 7M would not be able to do a 15.3 on Meremere > > Best info I can find is that a stock manual 7M does 15.6. Crank up the > boost to the normal 12psi stock max.... bye bye.... > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 21:11:00 <J Walker> But isnt XT the model number?? my Celica was an XX but it sure didn't have a 5X-GE!haha just pulling your cord...we all know pretty much how it goes so let's close the book now?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:45 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted see told ya I'd kick up some sort of storm But it kinda backfired on me cos its actually kinda usefull info.....XT Corona tho has/had a 2T and 3T motor in....so it should've been TX not XT hehee Really i was just making sure Cully and anyone else isnt on that hoochy weed again hehe Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Check the chassis number of some Toyota cars, and then check the engine numbers. You'll find that the first chassis character(s) is(are) the engine series code. St celica, JZa supra, Rx cressida, Mz Soarer ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted ok just checking.... hahah i'm suprised you didnt let me rumage around for hours on end trying to find some info then tell me that its not possible hahahah ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted You go for your life Hunt. I'll show you proof with Toyota written all over it that they didn't... ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 21:17:00 <Nathan Jones> An XT Corona would have had a shitfire...sorry, Starfire Holden engine that was basically a 202 with 2 cylinders lopped off the end. Your Celica XX was the model name whereas the model number or code would have been MA61 :) ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:02 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted But isnt XT the model number?? my Celica was an XX but it sure didn't have a 5X-GE!haha just pulling your cord...we all know pretty much how it goes so let's close the book now?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:45 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted see told ya I'd kick up some sort of storm But it kinda backfired on me cos its actually kinda usefull info.....XT Corona tho has/had a 2T and 3T motor in....so it should've been TX not XT hehee Really i was just making sure Cully and anyone else isnt on that hoochy weed again hehe Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Check the chassis number of some Toyota cars, and then check the engine numbers. You'll find that the first chassis character(s) is(are) the engine series code. St celica, JZa supra, Rx cressida, Mz Soarer ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted ok just checking.... hahah i'm suprised you didnt let me rumage around for hours on end trying to find some info then tell me that its not possible hahahah ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted You go for your life Hunt. I'll show you proof with Toyota written all over it that they didn't... ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 21:27:00 <Hunt M> had the 3T (1800OHV) which was what was used in the very early celica rally cars but minus a turbo and dual spark heads great little motor....did about 250,000k's and about 80 of those were driven by me....and well to be honest i didnt treat it like i should've....did regular oil changes etc....more often than gear changes....but i did manage to take her out to 8,500rpm a few times (redline was 6,000).....was rather noisy but still never stuffed up once....other than writing it off into a drain but we wont go there haha hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Jones To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted An XT Corona would have had a shitfire...sorry, Starfire Holden engine that was basically a 202 with 2 cylinders lopped off the end. Your Celica XX was the model name whereas the model number or code would have been MA61 :) ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:02 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted But isnt XT the model number?? my Celica was an XX but it sure didn't have a 5X-GE!haha just pulling your cord...we all know pretty much how it goes so let's close the book now?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:45 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted see told ya I'd kick up some sort of storm But it kinda backfired on me cos its actually kinda usefull info.....XT Corona tho has/had a 2T and 3T motor in....so it should've been TX not XT hehee Really i was just making sure Cully and anyone else isnt on that hoochy weed again hehe Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Check the chassis number of some Toyota cars, and then check the engine numbers. You'll find that the first chassis character(s) is(are) the engine series code. St celica, JZa supra, Rx cressida, Mz Soarer ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted ok just checking.... hahah i'm suprised you didnt let me rumage around for hours on end trying to find some info then tell me that its not possible hahahah ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted You go for your life Hunt. I'll show you proof with Toyota written all over it that they didn't... ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted now are you sure about this? so if i were to do some research and post up proof that the 7M came out in the GA-70 and the 1G into the MA-70......would you feel bad cos i'd hate to do that to you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rosser To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted think about it hunt ga70 = 1g motor ma70 = now say it with me, 7M!!!!!! lol john ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted do GA-70's come out with a 7M? ----- Original Message ----- From: J Walker To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: 29 July, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted More than anything i need an MA70 ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter O To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Jonathon, Surely more than anything you need a Torsen, not cheap I know, but what's the use of a Supra without a good LSD. Frankly I hate clutches/manual g/boxs, but acknowledge the advice given here, that even the later 5 (& 6 ??) spd autos are not so strong or quick. Damned shame!! Pete -----Original Message----- From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of J Walker Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 4:48 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted Try moving a 1.5t car from 0-400m with 225 tires and no lsd! Than you'll learn all about clutch control ;) My problems thus far: (Standard car, no internal mods, 150 worth of turbo control mods). Leaking coolant hoses - attributed solely to leakin oil causing hoses to soften. Clutch failure - attributed to abuse of clutch. Supras a stong as brick s**thouses...literally. Treat them right, MAINTAIN them properly, and no problems shalt thou have... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Hunt M To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted I've only had problems with mine because of the fact that all the work that has been on mine has not been done by a "professional" and has basically ALL been done by myself with help from guys on here as for the traction factor.....you try moving a 1 and a half tone car from 0-400meters with shitty old 205 tires hahah Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O" <powens@clear.net.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz> Sent: 29 July, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > I'm pretty much a lurker here with a Supra project ahead of me, my > mates actually. > > What has begun to disappoint me is the number of people with clutch, > auto, g/box, engine, & turbo problems, & traction problems apparently. > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. > I for one want a vehicle that is dependable first, powerful & safe > with traction second, then third comfortable/drivable & good looking > inside & out (the feelgoods). > > I question now are the Supras maybe too old, am I wasting my time > here. > Lets say I was considering buying right now with say $12,000 > available, no pre-existing ideas about what was "best" ........... > what would be the advice you would offer - anyone please. > > Pete > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-sconz-200@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Cully Paterson > Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 2:24 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz] > > Subject: [sconz] Re: ct26 parts wanted > > > I tell ya there is no such satisfaction knowing > > that you've gone > > against what other ppl have said and succeded > > > Nothing personal Hunt, but there's nothing like the dissatisfaction of > advising someone against doing a conversion like that, then having > months of email afterwards with things like "My rev counter doesn't > work", "I need a clutch pedal box", "I got pink stickered for having > no cert", "My engine won't idle", etc... Just think, that $4000 you > spent on your conversion could have bought a good condition 7M Mk-III > that would be faster than what you've ended up with even before you > mod it. > > Or am I just repeating what I said two years ago? Oh well, no matter. > > Cully > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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	Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-29 23:05:00 <J Walker> precisely my point.... Your Celica XX was the model name (html version)

Re: ct26 parts wanted   2003-07-30 00:07:00 <Glen Wolfe> One by one: > auto Granted, but any auto of this age is liable to fail. And the supra auto is not more expensive than any other auto to rebuild (in my experience) - it's nice to bump up the line pressure though to get a little crisper shift action. Not a favourite way of getting power to the wheels in this group, but it the active nature of the electronic control makes for quite pleasant driving. >, g/box Not manuals - no problems with those. >, & traction problems apparently. Only for those whose idea of fun is to drag race in winter. Or the normal turbo behaviour of getting the torque surge about 50m after leaving a set of lights on a wet road ... (damn, I forgot to allow for the boost lag when accelerating again ... ) > I had come to believe that the Supra in most forms was a safe, rather > bullet proof package, long lasting & capable of sensible modding to > 300hp without inducing premature component failure. Correct. Stick with that thought. Cully --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

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