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NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:02:00 <Rob M>
My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
Any comments???

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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:09:00 <john shannon>

Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost can only run a 12.7 over 400m

>From: "Rob M"
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
>
>My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
>In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
>Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
>Any comments???
>
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RE: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:18:00 <Nick Clewer>
What gear was the dyno run in? Gearing can effect torque readings.
-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-sconz-45@supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-sconz-45@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Rob M
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 5:54 PM
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Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno


My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG Merc
wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the same
motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie alot
more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
Any comments???
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http://www.supras.org.nz/

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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:30:00 <Hunt M>
700NM or torque is huge compared to 700NM of r/w torque.....

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob M
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 7:54 PM
Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno


My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG Merc
wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the same
motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie alot
more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
Any comments???
---
Supra Club of New Zealand
http://www.supras.org.nz/

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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:30:00 <Hunt M>
so how come mine with 205hp at flywheel is pulling a steady 13.2?????

----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:01 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost can
only run a 12.7 over 400m



>From: "Rob M"
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
>
>My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
>In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG Merc
wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the same
motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie alot
more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
>Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
>Any comments???
>
>---
>Supra Club of New Zealand
>http://www.supras.org.nz/


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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:31:00 <Hunt M>
re-worded.....700NM of engine torque is huge compared to 700NM of r/w
torque!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Hunt M
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:24 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


700NM or torque is huge compared to 700NM of r/w torque.....

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob M
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 7:54 PM
Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno


My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG Merc
wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the same
motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie alot
more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
Any comments???
---
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http://www.supras.org.nz/ ---
Supra Club of New Zealand
http://www.supras.org.nz/

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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:32:00 <john shannon>

In your dreams

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:25:26 +1200
>
>so how come mine with 205hp at flywheel is pulling a steady 13.2?????
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: john shannon
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:01 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost can
>only run a 12.7 over 400m
>
>
>
> >From: "Rob M"
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> >
> >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
>same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
>traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG Merc
>wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the same
>motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie alot
>more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
> >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> >Any comments???
> >
> >---
> >Supra Club of New Zealand
> >http://www.supras.org.nz/
>
>
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:36:00 <Hunt M>
we are talking 0-100kmph arent we?? hahaha

----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:24 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


In your dreams



>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:25:26 +1200
>
>so how come mine with 205hp at flywheel is pulling a steady 13.2?????
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: john shannon
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:01 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost can
>only run a 12.7 over 400m
>
>
>
> >From: "Rob M"
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> >
> >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
>same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
>traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
Merc
>wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the same
>motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie alot
>more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
> >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> >Any comments???
> >
> >---
> >Supra Club of New Zealand
> >http://www.supras.org.nz/
>
>
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:39:00 <john shannon>

you woke up

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:31:18 +1200
>
>we are talking 0-100kmph arent we?? hahaha
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: john shannon
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:24 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>In your dreams
>
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:25:26 +1200
> >
> >so how come mine with 205hp at flywheel is pulling a steady 13.2?????
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: john shannon
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:01 PM
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >
> >
> >Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost can
> >only run a 12.7 over 400m
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rob M"
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> > >
> > >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
> >same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
> >traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> > >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
>Merc
> >wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the same
> >motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie alot
> >more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
> > >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> > >Any comments???
> > >
> > >---
> > >Supra Club of New Zealand
> > >http://www.supras.org.nz/
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >http://www.supras.org.nz/
>
>
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:41:00 <Rob M>
True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost can only run a 12.7 over 400m



>From: "Rob M"
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
>
>My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
>In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
>Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
>Any comments???
>
>---
>Supra Club of New Zealand
>http://www.supras.org.nz/


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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:43:00 <Hunt M>
diff ratio makes big difference

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob M
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost
can only run a 12.7 over 400m



>From: "Rob M"
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
>
>My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
>In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie
alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
>Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
>Any comments???
>
>---
>Supra Club of New Zealand
>http://www.supras.org.nz/


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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:46:00 <john shannon>

Hi ROB you seen my dyno sheets all 4 times iv dyno it at diffrent places thay all read 1100nm of tourque and she as got hell of a kick trust me no cume out with me.

>From: "Rob M"
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:32:50 +1200
>
>True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: john shannon
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
> Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost can only run a 12.7 over 400m
>
>
>
> >From: "Rob M"
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> >
> >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
> >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> >Any comments???
> >
> >---
> >Supra Club of New Zealand
> >http://www.supras.org.nz/
>
>
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:49:00 <john shannon>

all 3 diffs read the same

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:38:05 +1200
>
>diff ratio makes big difference
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Rob M
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:32 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: john shannon
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
> Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost
>can only run a 12.7 over 400m
>
>
>
> >From: "Rob M"
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> >
> >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
>same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
>traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
>Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
>same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie
>alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
> >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> >Any comments???
> >
> >---
> >Supra Club of New Zealand
> >http://www.supras.org.nz/
>
>
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:50:00 <Hunt M>
1100nm at flywheel would be like 1800 or more at the wheels!!

----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


Hi ROB you seen my dyno sheets all 4 times iv dyno it at diffrent places
thay all read 1100nm of tourque and she as got hell of a kick trust me no
cume out with me.



>From: "Rob M"
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:32:50 +1200
>
>True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: john shannon
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
> Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost
can only run a 12.7 over 400m
>
>
>
> >From: "Rob M"
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> >
> >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie
alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
> >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> >Any comments???
> >
> >---
> >Supra Club of New Zealand
> >http://www.supras.org.nz/
>
>
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:52:00 <john shannon>

Mine is at the wheels

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:45:05 +1200
>
>1100nm at flywheel would be like 1800 or more at the wheels!!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: john shannon
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:38 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>Hi ROB you seen my dyno sheets all 4 times iv dyno it at diffrent places
>thay all read 1100nm of tourque and she as got hell of a kick trust me no
>cume out with me.
>
>
>
> >From: "Rob M"
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:32:50 +1200
> >
> >True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: john shannon
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> > Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >
> >
> > Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost
>can only run a 12.7 over 400m
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rob M"
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> > >
> > >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
>same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
>traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> > >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
>Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
>same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie
>alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
> > >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> > >Any comments???
> > >
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:53:00 <Hunt M>
still doesnt mean that they dont make a difference
imagine doing a dyno in 1st gear.....the power and torque would be off the
clock because of the gearing....only reasons they do it in 4th is because
its the only gear (in a manual) that is not geared up or down and is a
"straight through gear".
I bet if I were to put my diff in your car (4.7xx:1) you power and torque
would go off the clock because of the gearing....if you tried all 3 diffs on
the same day and the ratios were different the dyno results would also
differ

----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:41 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


all 3 diffs read the same



>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:38:05 +1200
>
>diff ratio makes big difference
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Rob M
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:32 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: john shannon
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
> Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost
>can only run a 12.7 over 400m
>
>
>
> >From: "Rob M"
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> >
> >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
>same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
>traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
>Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
>same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie
>alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
> >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> >Any comments???
> >
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:54:00 <Hunt M>
exactly......the 700nm on that merc is at flywheel!!

----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:44 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


Mine is at the wheels



>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:45:05 +1200
>
>1100nm at flywheel would be like 1800 or more at the wheels!!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: john shannon
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:38 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>Hi ROB you seen my dyno sheets all 4 times iv dyno it at diffrent places
>thay all read 1100nm of tourque and she as got hell of a kick trust me no
>cume out with me.
>
>
>
> >From: "Rob M"
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:32:50 +1200
> >
> >True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: john shannon
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> > Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >
> >
> > Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost
>can only run a 12.7 over 400m
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rob M"
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> > >
> > >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at
the
>same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
>traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> > >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
>Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
>same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie
>alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
> > >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> > >Any comments???
> > >
> > >---
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> > >http://www.supras.org.nz/
> >
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:58:00 <john shannon>

Just think your diff on my car we will have to try that one only if you come with me ha

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:48:01 +1200
>
>still doesnt mean that they dont make a difference
>imagine doing a dyno in 1st gear.....the power and torque would be off the
>clock because of the gearing....only reasons they do it in 4th is because
>its the only gear (in a manual) that is not geared up or down and is a
>"straight through gear".
>I bet if I were to put my diff in your car (4.7xx:1) you power and torque
>would go off the clock because of the gearing....if you tried all 3 diffs on
>the same day and the ratios were different the dyno results would also
>differ
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: john shannon
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:41 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>all 3 diffs read the same
>
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:38:05 +1200
> >
> >diff ratio makes big difference
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Rob M
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:32 PM
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >
> >
> >True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: john shannon
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> > Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >
> >
> > Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost
> >can only run a 12.7 over 400m
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rob M"
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> > >
> > >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
> >same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
> >traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> > >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
> >Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
> >same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie
> >alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
> > >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> > >Any comments???
> > >
> > >---
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> > >http://www.supras.org.nz/
> >
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 20:59:00 <Hunt M>
lol no!!! not with your record of chewing through diffs like they're going
outa fashion hah

----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:50 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


Just think your diff on my car we will have to try that one only if you come
with me ha



>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:48:01 +1200
>
>still doesnt mean that they dont make a difference
>imagine doing a dyno in 1st gear.....the power and torque would be off the
>clock because of the gearing....only reasons they do it in 4th is because
>its the only gear (in a manual) that is not geared up or down and is a
>"straight through gear".
>I bet if I were to put my diff in your car (4.7xx:1) you power and torque
>would go off the clock because of the gearing....if you tried all 3 diffs
on
>the same day and the ratios were different the dyno results would also
>differ
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: john shannon
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:41 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>all 3 diffs read the same
>
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:38:05 +1200
> >
> >diff ratio makes big difference
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Rob M
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:32 PM
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >
> >
> >True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: john shannon
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> > Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >
> >
> > Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost
> >can only run a 12.7 over 400m
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rob M"
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> > >
> > >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at
the
> >same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
> >traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> > >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
> >Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
> >same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton
ie
> >alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest
12.5sec.
> > >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> > >Any comments???
> > >
> > >---
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> > >http://www.supras.org.nz/
> >
> >
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 21:02:00 <john shannon>

Just for a hour trust me

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:54:35 +1200
>
>lol no!!! not with your record of chewing through diffs like they're going
>outa fashion hah
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: john shannon
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:50 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>Just think your diff on my car we will have to try that one only if you come
>with me ha
>
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:48:01 +1200
> >
> >still doesnt mean that they dont make a difference
> >imagine doing a dyno in 1st gear.....the power and torque would be off the
> >clock because of the gearing....only reasons they do it in 4th is because
> >its the only gear (in a manual) that is not geared up or down and is a
> >"straight through gear".
> >I bet if I were to put my diff in your car (4.7xx:1) you power and torque
> >would go off the clock because of the gearing....if you tried all 3 diffs
>on
> >the same day and the ratios were different the dyno results would also
> >differ
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: john shannon
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:41 PM
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >
> >
> >all 3 diffs read the same
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:38:05 +1200
> > >
> > >diff ratio makes big difference
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Rob M
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:32 PM
> > >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >
> > >
> > >True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: john shannon
> > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> > > Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost
> > >can only run a 12.7 over 400m
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Rob M"
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > > >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> > > >
> > > >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at
>the
> > >same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
> > >traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> > > >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
> > >Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
> > >same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton
>ie
> > >alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest
>12.5sec.
> > > >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> > > >Any comments???
> > > >
> > > >---
> > > >Supra Club of New Zealand
> > > >http://www.supras.org.nz/
> > >
> > >
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 21:19:00 <John Rosser>
can someone clear this up for me, i thought that you have less hp or torque t the wheels then you would at the motor, due to drivetrain loss? i'm pretty sure it's like that for hp, but is torque different?

john
----- Original Message -----
From: Hunt M
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:48 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


exactly......the 700nm on that merc is at flywheel!!

----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:44 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


Mine is at the wheels



>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:45:05 +1200
>
>1100nm at flywheel would be like 1800 or more at the wheels!!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: john shannon
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:38 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>Hi ROB you seen my dyno sheets all 4 times iv dyno it at diffrent places
>thay all read 1100nm of tourque and she as got hell of a kick trust me no
>cume out with me.
>
>
>
> >From: "Rob M"
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:32:50 +1200
> >
> >True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: john shannon
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> > Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >
> >
> > Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost
>can only run a 12.7 over 400m
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rob M"
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> > >
> > >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at the
>same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
>traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> > >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
>Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
>same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton ie
>alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest 12.5sec.
> > >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> > >Any comments???
> > >
> > >---
> > >Supra Club of New Zealand
> > >http://www.supras.org.nz/
> >
> >
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 21:22:00 <Hunt M>
you gain torque because of the gearing of the diff but you loose horse power
due to....well just having to drive the gearbox and diff

----- Original Message -----
From: John Rosser
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 9:11 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


can someone clear this up for me, i thought that you have less hp or torque
t the wheels then you would at the motor, due to drivetrain loss? i'm
pretty sure it's like that for hp, but is torque different?

john
----- Original Message -----
From: Hunt M
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:48 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


exactly......the 700nm on that merc is at flywheel!!

----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:44 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


Mine is at the wheels



>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:45:05 +1200
>
>1100nm at flywheel would be like 1800 or more at the wheels!!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: john shannon
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:38 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>Hi ROB you seen my dyno sheets all 4 times iv dyno it at diffrent places
>thay all read 1100nm of tourque and she as got hell of a kick trust me no
>cume out with me.
>
>
>
> >From: "Rob M"
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:32:50 +1200
> >
> >True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: john shannon
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> > Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >
> >
> > Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs
boost
>can only run a 12.7 over 400m
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rob M"
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> > >
> > >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at
the
>same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
>traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> > >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
>Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
>same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton
ie
>alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest
12.5sec.
> > >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> > >Any comments???
> > >
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 21:25:00 <Hunt M>
yeah.....20 mins putting it in.....20 mins to blow it.....and 20 mines to
take it out!! hahah

----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:53 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


Just for a hour trust me



>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:54:35 +1200
>
>lol no!!! not with your record of chewing through diffs like they're going
>outa fashion hah
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: john shannon
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:50 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>Just think your diff on my car we will have to try that one only if you
come
>with me ha
>
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:48:01 +1200
> >
> >still doesnt mean that they dont make a difference
> >imagine doing a dyno in 1st gear.....the power and torque would be off
the
> >clock because of the gearing....only reasons they do it in 4th is because
> >its the only gear (in a manual) that is not geared up or down and is a
> >"straight through gear".
> >I bet if I were to put my diff in your car (4.7xx:1) you power and torque
> >would go off the clock because of the gearing....if you tried all 3 diffs
>on
> >the same day and the ratios were different the dyno results would also
> >differ
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: john shannon
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:41 PM
> >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >
> >
> >all 3 diffs read the same
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:38:05 +1200
> > >
> > >diff ratio makes big difference
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Rob M
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:32 PM
> > >Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >
> > >
> > >True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: john shannon
> > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> > > Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs
boost
> > >can only run a 12.7 over 400m
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Rob M"
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > > >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> > > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> > > >
> > > >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at
>the
> > >same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
> > >traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> > > >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
> > >Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has
the
> > >same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton
>ie
> > >alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest
>12.5sec.
> > > >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> > > >Any comments???
> > > >
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 21:30:00 <Tony Reeves>
John Rosser wrote:
> can someone clear this up for me, i thought that you have less hp or
> torque t the wheels then you would at the motor, due to drivetrain
> loss? i'm pretty sure it's like that for hp, but is torque different?

Friction losses through the transmission would usually reduce flywheel
HP by about 10% to 20% to the wheels. HP is a combination of torque and
speed. Double the speed and torque is halved for the same HP. In the
case of a typical top gear and diff ratio of 3 to 1, rpm at the wheels
is 1/3 of engine HP, but wheel torque is 3 times flywheel torque, less
friction losses.

In real life, it is power delivered (HP) that gives acceleration and top
speed - you need both speed and torque.

Cheers

Tony

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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-30 21:37:00 <Hunt M>
well put Tony!!
altho as you said the losses are always going to differ depending on the
gearbox and diff types as well as the heat of them etc etc

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Reeves" <tony@araucanagroup.com>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@supras.org.nz>
Sent: 30 July, 2003 9:22 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


> John Rosser wrote:
> > can someone clear this up for me, i thought that you have less hp or
> > torque t the wheels then you would at the motor, due to drivetrain
> > loss? i'm pretty sure it's like that for hp, but is torque different?
>
> Friction losses through the transmission would usually reduce flywheel
> HP by about 10% to 20% to the wheels. HP is a combination of torque and
> speed. Double the speed and torque is halved for the same HP. In the
> case of a typical top gear and diff ratio of 3 to 1, rpm at the wheels
> is 1/3 of engine HP, but wheel torque is 3 times flywheel torque, less
> friction losses.
>
> In real life, it is power delivered (HP) that gives acceleration and top
> speed - you need both speed and torque.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-31 10:50:00 <Nick Clewer>
Hunt, not so much power, power readings are not effected if at all by
gearing, only torque. As the car would travel a shorter distance on the dyno
rollers in a lower gear the dyno software dynamically recomputes the power.
-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-sconz-45@supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-sconz-45@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Hunt M
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 6:48 PM
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


still doesnt mean that they dont make a difference
imagine doing a dyno in 1st gear.....the power and torque would be off the
clock because of the gearing....only reasons they do it in 4th is because
its the only gear (in a manual) that is not geared up or down and is a
"straight through gear".
I bet if I were to put my diff in your car (4.7xx:1) you power and torque
would go off the clock because of the gearing....if you tried all 3 diffs on
the same day and the ratios were different the dyno results would also
differ

----- Original Message -----
From: john shannon
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:41 PM
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


all 3 diffs read the same



>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:38:05 +1200
>
>diff ratio makes big difference
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Rob M
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Sent: 30 July, 2003 8:32 PM
>Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
>True 1100nm would be running 9's!!! so something not right.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: john shannon
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno
>
>
> Hi Rob dont make sence my car 1410kg 289kw 1100nm torque at 14lbs boost
>can only run a 12.7 over 400m
>
>
>
> >From: "Rob M"
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> >Subject: [sconz] NM Torque readings on Dyno
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:54:00 +1200
> >
> >My 7MGTE generated 210kw @10lbs and max torque of 735nm and 650nm at
the
>same rpm as peak kw. The car runs around 13.8s over 400m with little
>traction initially and weighs 1580kg.
> >In the Good Oil Herald motor column today they talked about a E55 AMG
>Merc wagon with 700nm torque. No performance stats but the sedan has the
>same motor - 5.5 litre supercharged V8 with 470hp & weighs around 2 ton
ie
>alot more than a MKIII supra. This beast cuts the 400m at a modest
12.5sec.
> >Seems to me the dyno torque #'s are rubbish.
> >Any comments???
> >
> >---
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> >http://www.supras.org.nz/
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Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno   2003-07-31 10:52:00 <Nick Clewer>
Thanks Tony, what I was saying but clearer! :D


-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-sconz-45@supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-sconz-45@supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Tony Reeves
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 7:22 PM
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: [sconz] Re: NM Torque readings on Dyno


John Rosser wrote:
> can someone clear this up for me, i thought that you have less hp or
> torque t the wheels then you would at the motor, due to drivetrain
> loss? i'm pretty sure it's like that for hp, but is torque different?

Friction losses through the transmission would usually reduce flywheel
HP by about 10% to 20% to the wheels. HP is a combination of torque and
speed. Double the speed and torque is halved for the same HP. In the
case of a typical top gear and diff ratio of 3 to 1, rpm at the wheels
is 1/3 of engine HP, but wheel torque is 3 times flywheel torque, less
friction losses.

In real life, it is power delivered (HP) that gives acceleration and top
speed - you need both speed and torque.

Cheers

Tony


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