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2004-04-01 10:57:00 <Lee Dobson> |
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Sorry John, but I feel this all comes from frustration created when the
person feels that they have given an answer that is correct originally to
the question and they have to continually repeat themselves or feel that if
the person concerned had actually read the post properly they would have no
questions to ask.
Also, although I am not against asking for clarification on any information
that is given on a subject, sometimes when you are asking someone for their
experience on a particular fault and they give it you should accept their
answer. Asking a question, getting and answer and then repeating why only
tends to frustrate people. I f the so-called know it alls are to be
believed then maybe more weight should be given to their answers, although
there is always room for debate, sometimes what is true is true and its that
simple.
Lastly most of my personal observations come from what I experienced with my
supra and others over the last 12 years I have owned my car, although I am
no expert I feel I can give personal observations on what helped me fixed a
particular fault without having to know exactly or scientifically why it
worked.
my $3.50 or three fiddy depending if your from west auckland (just
kidding)
Cheers
Lee MKII 1G-GTE (missing one turbo)
----- Original Message -----
From: <john@weaversoft.com>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: unclassified [sconz] Octane
> But then when someone asks a valid question that is hard to discover
reliable
> information about from google, these questions tend to get quickly shunted
> aside, or forgotten, (see my question about ECU / Engine management
advice)
> whereas issues like the Octane, where everyone has an opinion dominate
with no
> benefit.
>
> I find it quite hilarious that Hunt recieved 1/2 page replies flaming him,
when
> it would have been easier to just say
>
> " RON = Research Octane Number, "
> " Theres heaps of stuff on google, check it out"
>
>
>
> Quoting WATSON ADRIAN AET1 <ADRIAN.WATSON@nzdf.mil.nz>:
>
> > I don't want to start another argument, but I agree with/feel for Hunt.
> > As an electronics technician by trade I know very little about cars. I
have
> > started reading a few books to try and educate myself. I could probably
> > learn more by asking a few questions on here, but the many negative
> > responses that come back from some of Hunts questions makes me feel it
is a
> > waste of time to try. A lot of Hunt's questions my seem pointless and
stupid
> > to the 'Know-it-alls' but to someone like Hunt or me perhaps it is
something
> > we don't know, and would like to know, so to us it is very relevant.
> >
> > Just my 2c worth
> > Adrian Watson
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bounce-32444-252@list.supras.org.nz
> > [mailto:bounce-32444-252@list.supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Hunt M
> > Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2004 3:51
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [sconz] Octane
> >
> >
> > Hey,
> > Thanks for the reply and not making it a negative one.
> > You stated at the bottom of your email: "This list is not here solely to
> > educate two or three members." Well Indeed it is not - and there are
> > probably others out there who found interest in Peter Nield's reply
whether
> > they were "looking" for information on the subject or not. Many times I
have
> > found info on the list that really has NO relevance to me or my car yet
is
> > still interesting. Perhaps I'm the only one here who actaully takes
interest
> > in other peoples cars and engines and when I find out or get informed
about
> > them find it interesting?
> >
> > Hunt
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Doig, Richard" <Richard.Doig@airnz.co.nz>
> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:39 PM
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] Octane
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > um isn't when you do a search, and read a website, that
> > > > someone has made,
> > > > effectively, asking them the same as what hunt has been doing
> > > > anyway?
> > >
> > > Well, no. What he said (paraphrased) was "What is this?". He had not
been
> > > *pro-active* to find out for *himself* and make his own *conclusions*
> > which
> > > would lead him to *understand*.
> > >
> > > To put it another way, imagine a tertiary student was given the
research
> > > project of "What does faraday's law mean?". If they were to dictate
the
> > > section from the Physics book would they get an A or an F? I refer
back
> > to
> > > the *understand* section above.
> > >
> > > >the whole point of this list is to share info
> > >
> > > Yes, but not to fully educate people in matters that are very well
> > > explained in a number of great books available, the titles of which
Cully
> > > mentions frequently. If people don't want to help themselves why
should
> > the
> > > "know-it-alls" make any effort to? A hundred posts a day of verbal
garbage
> > > takes time to get through and a little forethought before posting a
query
> > > may make worthwhile questions be more likely to be answered.
> > >
> > > This list is not here solely to educate two or three members.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > , even if people
> > > > don't remember the
> > > > answer at a later date. not all of us have photographic
> > > > memories, or keep
> > > > every post that is ever sent over this. damn guys, chill out
> > > > a bit, go have
> > > > a coffee or soft drink or something, take a deep breath, then
> > > > come back
> > > > later.
> > > >
> > > > john
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Doig, Richard" <Richard.Doig@airnz.co.nz>
> > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:10 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] Octane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > www.google.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Research does *not* include asking somebody else what the
> > > > answer is and
> > > > > having them explain it to you. Research involves being
> > > > pro-active and
> > > > > finding out for *yourself* what something means. The
> > > > majority of the
> > > > stupid
> > > > > bloody questions asked here are easily found on a "search engine".
> > > > >
> > > > > You can research "search engine" for yourself...
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: bounce-32429-27@list.supras.org.nz
> > > > > > [mailto:bounce-32429-27@list.supras.org.nz]On Behalf Of Hunt M
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2004 14:49
> > > > > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [sconz] Octane
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was doing my own research - from my understand to research
> > > > > > something you
> > > > > > ask or look at information databases such as the internet
> > > > - books -
> > > > > > friends - or forums/mailing lists!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ta
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Marc Archbold" <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> > > > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:44 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [sconz] Octane
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do your own research. WHile you're at it look into PON and
MON.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Marc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > whats the RON stand for?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Marc Archbold" <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> > > > > > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
<sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:58 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [sconz] Octane
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Your car was designed for 98RON - JDM.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > what gas is recommended to run a 1jz at 1 bar boost,
> > > > > > under racing
> > > > > > > > > > conditions? factory ecu, rebuilt ct12's, standard
> > > > > > front mount i/c,
> > > > > > > > free
> > > > > > > > > > flow
> > > > > > > > > > 3" exhaust. is higher octane better for race situations?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > john
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Stuart" <stuartw@kcbbs.gen.nz>
> > > > > > > > > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > > > <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:41 AM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [sconz] Octane
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:23, john@weaversoft.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > is there an easy fix to detonation problems aside
> > > > > > from running
> > > > > > > > > > higher
> > > > > > > > > > > > octane?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Less cylinder pressure (less compression, less boost)
> > > > > > > > > > > Less ignition advance
> > > > > > > > > > > Cooler plug (only helps a tiny bit)
> > > > > > > > > > > Water injection
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The first two give up power in relation, the next
> > > > > > only helps a
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > little,
> > > > > > > > > > > and the last is a bit more complex to organise.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Other than those it comes down to cylinder design,
> > > > > > and there is
> > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > easy
> > > > > > > > > > way to
> > > > > > > > > > > change that.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > Stuart.
> > > > > > > > > > >
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