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TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 08:10:00 <Dave Thom> Umm... ok... the whole concept that if you start your car with its wheels turned altering the way TEMS picks up cornering seems just more than a little "whacked out" to me. Surely Toyota wouldn't create such a stupidly fallible system? Surely the car remembers the angle the wheels were at when the car was stopped and then picks up from that same angle? Or even has a "0" sensing feature where it can centre itself... It just kinda defies belief that they would create such a stupid reference as "the wheels have to be straight when you start the car" :\ Regards, Dave Thom A+ Certified Systems Engineer 021 140 4657 davet@boost.org.nz (html version)

RE: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 08:26:00 <Cully Paterson> It's true... http://www.supras.org.nz/techinfo/stuart_woolford/stems.html That post dates back to at least 1997... Cully _____ From: Dave Thom [mailto:supras@boost.org.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2004 8:10 a.m. To: SCONZ.list Forward Subject: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting Umm... ok... the whole concept that if you start your car with its wheels turned altering the way TEMS picks up cornering seems just more than a little "whacked out" to me. Surely Toyota wouldn't create such a stupidly fallible system? Surely the car remembers the angle the wheels were at when the car was stopped and then picks up from that same angle? Or even has a "0" sensing feature where it can centre itself... It just kinda defies belief that they would create such a stupid reference as "the wheels have to be straight when you start the car" :\ Regards, Dave Thom A+ Certified Systems Engineer 021 140 4657 davet@boost.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 08:36:00 <Hunt M> ok so what would it look like for the analogue dash set up - what lights would come on? Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting It's true... http://www.supras.org.nz/techinfo/stuart_woolford/stems.html That post dates back to at least 1997... Cully ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Dave Thom [mailto:supras@boost.org.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2004 8:10 a.m. To: SCONZ.list Forward Subject: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting Umm... ok... the whole concept that if you start your car with its wheels turned altering the way TEMS picks up cornering seems just more than a little "whacked out" to me. Surely Toyota wouldn't create such a stupidly fallible system? Surely the car remembers the angle the wheels were at when the car was stopped and then picks up from that same angle? Or even has a "0" sensing feature where it can centre itself... It just kinda defies belief that they would create such a stupid reference as "the wheels have to be straight when you start the car" :\ Regards, Dave Thom A+ Certified Systems Engineer 021 140 4657 davet@boost.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

RE: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 09:06:00 <Marc Archbold> > It's true... Atleast for when the TEMS test jumper is in, correct? > http://www.supras.org.nz/techinfo/stuart_woolford/stems.html > > That post dates back to at least 1997... > > Cully > > > > _____ > > From: Dave Thom [mailto:supras@boost.org.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2004 8:10 a.m. > To: SCONZ.list Forward > Subject: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting > > > Umm... ok... the whole concept that if you start your car with > its wheels turned altering the way TEMS picks up cornering seems just > more than a little "whacked out" to me. Surely Toyota wouldn't create > such a stupidly fallible system? Surely the car remembers the angle the > wheels were at when the car was stopped and then picks up from that > same > angle? Or even has a "0" sensing feature where it can centre itself... > > It just kinda defies belief that they would create such a stupid > reference as "the wheels have to be straight when you start the car" : > > > Regards, > > Dave Thom > A+ Certified Systems Engineer > 021 140 4657 > davet@boost.org.nz > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 09:09:00 <Dave Thom> Ok, fair call... but the one sentence "I have been running with the TEMS diagnostic jumper in for the 'hard' setting on the suspension. you know, where, with 'normal' selected, the lights indicate the direction of the steering, anyway, the story goes as follows:" leads me to believe that perhaps the centreing issue is purely a function of being in diagnostic mode for the TEMS? And that in normal day to day operation it wouldn't actually work that way? Regards, Dave Thom A+ Certified Systems Engineer 021 140 4657 davet@boost.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting It's true... http://www.supras.org.nz/techinfo/stuart_woolford/stems.html That post dates back to at least 1997... Cully ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Thom [mailto:supras@boost.org.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2004 8:10 a.m. To: SCONZ.list Forward Subject: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting Umm... ok... the whole concept that if you start your car with its wheels turned altering the way TEMS picks up cornering seems just more than a little "whacked out" to me. Surely Toyota wouldn't create such a stupidly fallible system? Surely the car remembers the angle the wheels were at when the car was stopped and then picks up from that same angle? Or even has a "0" sensing feature where it can centre itself... It just kinda defies belief that they would create such a stupid reference as "the wheels have to be straight when you start the car" :\ Regards, Dave Thom A+ Certified Systems Engineer 021 140 4657 davet@boost.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 09:30:00 <Hunt M> Still strongly dis-agree as I have just tested this THEORY one my dads car - does not apply Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: Cully Paterson To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting It's true... http://www.supras.org.nz/techinfo/stuart_woolford/stems.html That post dates back to at least 1997... Cully ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Dave Thom [mailto:supras@boost.org.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2004 8:10 a.m. To: SCONZ.list Forward Subject: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting Umm... ok... the whole concept that if you start your car with its wheels turned altering the way TEMS picks up cornering seems just more than a little "whacked out" to me. Surely Toyota wouldn't create such a stupidly fallible system? Surely the car remembers the angle the wheels were at when the car was stopped and then picks up from that same angle? Or even has a "0" sensing feature where it can centre itself... It just kinda defies belief that they would create such a stupid reference as "the wheels have to be straight when you start the car" :\ Regards, Dave Thom A+ Certified Systems Engineer 021 140 4657 davet@boost.org.nz --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ (html version)

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 09:43:00 <Stuart> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:29, Hunt M wrote: > Still strongly dis-agree as I have just tested this THEORY one my dads car > - does not apply Wrong wrong and wrong. This is NOT a THEORY hunt, it is a FACT. Do you know the supra has a diagnostic mode that tells you where it thinks the steering wheel is pointing? With this mode enabled you can tell if the computer things the wheel is pointing straight ahead, to the left, or to the right. A THEORY is an idea without a suitable level of supporting supporting evidence - for example, that TEMS hard increases wear - thinking about it says it is probably true, but there are no quantitative measurements to prove it. A FACT is something that has definite proof, and diagnostic mode supplies that. Certainly on GA70 and MA70 model Mk.3 supras this is simply a fact, no room for it to be disagreed with. Perhaps you would like to enlighten us with how you tested this out and proved the 'theory' wrong? I've not tested it on a JZA70 supra (could do easily enough..), but I strongly doubt it changed, as the steering column is the same. Regards, Stuart.

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 09:50:00 <Hunt M> How I proved this theory wrong Jumped into dads car - turned the steering wheel at 90 degrees - started car - went for a drive - all is well Anything else? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart" <stuartw@kcbbs.gen.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:29, Hunt M wrote: > Still strongly dis-agree as I have just tested this THEORY one my dads car > - does not apply Wrong wrong and wrong. This is NOT a THEORY hunt, it is a FACT. Do you know the supra has a diagnostic mode that tells you where it thinks the steering wheel is pointing? With this mode enabled you can tell if the computer things the wheel is pointing straight ahead, to the left, or to the right. A THEORY is an idea without a suitable level of supporting supporting evidence - for example, that TEMS hard increases wear - thinking about it says it is probably true, but there are no quantitative measurements to prove it. A FACT is something that has definite proof, and diagnostic mode supplies that. Certainly on GA70 and MA70 model Mk.3 supras this is simply a fact, no room for it to be disagreed with. Perhaps you would like to enlighten us with how you tested this out and proved the 'theory' wrong? I've not tested it on a JZA70 supra (could do easily enough..), but I strongly doubt it changed, as the steering column is the same. Regards, Stuart. --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 10:01:00 <Stuart> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:50, Hunt M wrote: > How I proved this theory wrong > Jumped into dads car - turned the steering wheel at 90 degrees - started > car - went for a drive - all is well > Anything else? And how, exactly, did you know all was well? Perhaps you can also tell me the peak HP the car made on that drive, the maximum cornering Gs and the exact distance it took you to stop when you finished? Your information is what is called 'opinion' - it seemed ok. The TEMS testing lights provide an exact test - they indicate which way the ECU things the steering is pointing.

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 10:03:00 <Stuart> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:07, Dave Thom wrote: > leads me to believe that perhaps the centreing issue is purely a function > of being in diagnostic mode for the TEMS? And that in normal day to day > operation it wouldn't actually work that way? Sigh. Take the sensor appart some day, it has NO way of determining the 'straight head' direction. it is a differential sensor, and only picks up changes. Therefore toyota CAN NOT (at least with that sensor setup) tell what is straight ahead, except by assuming it is the direction the wheels started in. Regards, Stuart W.

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 10:25:00 <Hunt M> ok so how do you do this diags test for the steering tems thing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart" <stuartw@kcbbs.gen.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:29, Hunt M wrote: > Still strongly dis-agree as I have just tested this THEORY one my dads car > - does not apply Wrong wrong and wrong. This is NOT a THEORY hunt, it is a FACT. Do you know the supra has a diagnostic mode that tells you where it thinks the steering wheel is pointing? With this mode enabled you can tell if the computer things the wheel is pointing straight ahead, to the left, or to the right. A THEORY is an idea without a suitable level of supporting supporting evidence - for example, that TEMS hard increases wear - thinking about it says it is probably true, but there are no quantitative measurements to prove it. A FACT is something that has definite proof, and diagnostic mode supplies that. Certainly on GA70 and MA70 model Mk.3 supras this is simply a fact, no room for it to be disagreed with. Perhaps you would like to enlighten us with how you tested this out and proved the 'theory' wrong? I've not tested it on a JZA70 supra (could do easily enough..), but I strongly doubt it changed, as the steering column is the same. Regards, Stuart. --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 10:31:00 <Dave Thom> Which leads me back to wondering why Toyota would make such a stupid design as to impair cornering ability and handling unless you had the wheels pointing straight ahead when you start the car :\ Not saying you're wrong, I trust your word more than my own on this subject, its just logic dictates its a stupid thing to build into a car and Toyota isn't largely known for stupid incorrectly setup little gimmicks (Nissans on the other hand...) Regards, Dave Thom A+ Certified Systems Engineer 021 140 4657 davet@boost.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart" <stuartw@kcbbs.gen.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting > On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:07, Dave Thom wrote: > > leads me to believe that perhaps the centreing issue is purely a function > > of being in diagnostic mode for the TEMS? And that in normal day to day > > operation it wouldn't actually work that way? > > Sigh. > > Take the sensor appart some day, it has NO way of determining the 'straight > head' direction. it is a differential sensor, and only picks up changes. > Therefore toyota CAN NOT (at least with that sensor setup) tell what is > straight ahead, except by assuming it is the direction the wheels started in. > > Regards, > Stuart W. > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 10:34:00 <Dave Thom> Actually I just thought of something else too... the soft/med/hard lights on the dash that indicate which mode the suspension is in, would these still provide an accurate assessment if the actuators are unplugged? ie. if you get it to hard mode, unplug the actuators, if the lights show hard is that actually correct or does the display need the eletrical feedback from the actuators to let it know what mode its in? My concern is I could go through the steps to lock the shocks into hard, unplug the actuators to keep it there, and they could shift back to soft and I wouldn't know it... Regards, Dave Thom A+ Certified Systems Engineer 021 140 4657 davet@boost.org.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting > ok so how do you do this diags test for the steering tems thing? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart" <stuartw@kcbbs.gen.nz> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:43 AM > Subject: Re: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting > > > On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:29, Hunt M wrote: > > Still strongly dis-agree as I have just tested this THEORY one my dads car > > - does not apply > > Wrong wrong and wrong. > This is NOT a THEORY hunt, it is a FACT. > > Do you know the supra has a diagnostic mode that tells you where it thinks > the > steering wheel is pointing? With this mode enabled you can tell if the > computer things the wheel is pointing straight ahead, to the left, or to the > right. > > A THEORY is an idea without a suitable level of supporting supporting > evidence > - for example, that TEMS hard increases wear - thinking about it says it is > probably true, but there are no quantitative measurements to prove it. > > A FACT is something that has definite proof, and diagnostic mode supplies > that. Certainly on GA70 and MA70 model Mk.3 supras this is simply a fact, no > room for it to be disagreed with. > > Perhaps you would like to enlighten us with how you tested this out and > proved > the 'theory' wrong? > > I've not tested it on a JZA70 supra (could do easily enough..), but I > strongly > doubt it changed, as the steering column is the same. > > Regards, > Stuart. > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ > > > > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/

RE: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 11:31:00 <Cully Paterson> > Actually I just thought of something else too... the > soft/med/hard lights on the dash that indicate which mode the > suspension is in, would these still provide an accurate > assessment if the actuators are unplugged? ie. if you get it > to hard mode, unplug the actuators, if the lights show hard > is that actually correct or does the display need the > eletrical feedback from the actuators to let it know what mode its in? > > My concern is I could go through the steps to lock the shocks > into hard, unplug the actuators to keep it there, and they > could shift back to soft and I wouldn't know it... The display shows what the TEMS system 'wants' the shocks to be, not what they actually are.

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 12:15:00 <Marc Archbold> > > Take the sensor appart some day, it has NO way of determining the > 'straight > head' direction. it is a differential sensor, and only picks up > changes. > Therefore toyota CAN NOT (at least with that sensor setup) tell what is What about pulse counting? There are two sensors and the steering wheel can only rotate a certain amount to lock.... I can understand if the wheel needs to be straight when in Test mode..... Cheers, Marc

RE: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 13:11:00 <Hunt M> Going on that thought then Cully - if, like you and Stu say, you start your car with your steering wheel on an angle and then drive around - you say that the ECU for TEMS thinks that you are cornering and therefore will harden up the TEMS units and therefore it would show on the display as "Sport" or "Hard"..... -----Original Message----- From: bounce-33176-72@list.supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-33176-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2004 11:31 a.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: RE: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting > Actually I just thought of something else too... the > soft/med/hard lights on the dash that indicate which mode the > suspension is in, would these still provide an accurate > assessment if the actuators are unplugged? ie. if you get it > to hard mode, unplug the actuators, if the lights show hard > is that actually correct or does the display need the > eletrical feedback from the actuators to let it know what mode its in? > > My concern is I could go through the steps to lock the shocks > into hard, unplug the actuators to keep it there, and they > could shift back to soft and I wouldn't know it... The display shows what the TEMS system 'wants' the shocks to be, not what they actually are. --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 14:50:00 <Stuart> > What about pulse counting? There are two sensors and the steering wheel > can only rotate a certain amount to lock.... > I can understand if the wheel needs to be straight when in Test mode..... so when can the ECU tell you are at one end of the lock? and how often does that happen when driving? It's the same as a computer mouse, everything is differential, so an abritary start point must be assumed. regards, Stuart.

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 14:54:00 <Stuart> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:10, Hunt M wrote: > Going on that thought then Cully - if, like you and Stu say, you start your > car with your steering wheel on an angle and then drive around - you say > that the ECU for TEMS thinks that you are cornering and therefore will > harden up the TEMS units and therefore it would show on the display as > "Sport" or "Hard"..... The tems is a little smarter than that, it uses steering angle and RATE of steering change (and throttle position and brakes) do decide on tems setting. it just means it is one variable down, from 4 total, so it still works ok. What I am saying is for it to work at it's best yu should start the car with the wheels pointing forward.

RE: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 15:10:00 <Hunt M> Thanks but that's not my question - my question is this You clearly stated that UNLESS you start your TEMS fitted Toyota with the steering wheel straight the TEMS system will be a little "muddled up" and not perform at its best - My question within is this - Does this mean that the TEMS system adjusts to a level other than the one pre-determined by the "Normal/Sport" mode buttons? OR means that you will have to turn an extra bit more towards the left (steering wheel turned to right when car started for example) for the TEMS unit to work effectively? How can it work OK and also work BEST?? There are 3 levels of adjustment - its not a fully adjustable system with multiple variables.... Hunt -----Original Message----- From: bounce-33188-72@list.supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-33188-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Stuart Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2004 2:52 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: Re: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:10, Hunt M wrote: > Going on that thought then Cully - if, like you and Stu say, you start your > car with your steering wheel on an angle and then drive around - you say > that the ECU for TEMS thinks that you are cornering and therefore will > harden up the TEMS units and therefore it would show on the display as > "Sport" or "Hard"..... The tems is a little smarter than that, it uses steering angle and RATE of steering change (and throttle position and brakes) do decide on tems setting. it just means it is one variable down, from 4 total, so it still works ok. What I am saying is for it to work at it's best yu should start the car with the wheels pointing forward. --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 15:14:00 <Stuart> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:09, Hunt M wrote: > Thanks but that's not my question - my question is this > > You clearly stated that UNLESS you start your TEMS fitted Toyota with the > steering wheel straight the TEMS system will be a little "muddled up" and > not perform at its best - My question within is this - Does this mean that > the TEMS system adjusts to a level other than the one pre-determined by the > "Normal/Sport" mode buttons? OR means that you will have to turn an extra > bit more towards the left (steering wheel turned to right when car started > for example) for the TEMS unit to work effectively? > > How can it work OK and also work BEST?? There are 3 levels of adjustment - > its not a fully adjustable system with multiple variables.... Sigh, try and think about this carefully Hunt. The TEMS does not work at it's best because it changes settings at different times, it chooses the best time when it has the best information, which is when the car is started with the wheels pointed forward. otherwise it has less good information, and is choosing the times to change based on that lesser information, and therefore does not change at the best times. Simple enough?

	Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 15:23:00 <Marc Archbold> > It's the same as a computer mouse, everything is differential, so an > abritary > start point must be assumed. Exactly the point - Hence the need to set a reference with the test jumper enabled. Cordially, Marc > > regards, > Stuart. > > --- > Supra Club of New Zealand > http://www.supras.org.nz/ >

RE: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 15:33:00 <Hunt M> So where exactly is this almighty sensor on the steering wheel? http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM/fa/FA_29.html Hunt -----Original Message----- From: bounce-33190-72@list.supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-33190-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Stuart Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2004 3:15 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: Re: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:09, Hunt M wrote: > Thanks but that's not my question - my question is this > > You clearly stated that UNLESS you start your TEMS fitted Toyota with the > steering wheel straight the TEMS system will be a little "muddled up" and > not perform at its best - My question within is this - Does this mean that > the TEMS system adjusts to a level other than the one pre-determined by the > "Normal/Sport" mode buttons? OR means that you will have to turn an extra > bit more towards the left (steering wheel turned to right when car started > for example) for the TEMS unit to work effectively? > > How can it work OK and also work BEST?? There are 3 levels of adjustment - > its not a fully adjustable system with multiple variables.... Sigh, try and think about this carefully Hunt. The TEMS does not work at it's best because it changes settings at different times, it chooses the best time when it has the best information, which is when the car is started with the wheels pointed forward. otherwise it has less good information, and is choosing the times to change based on that lesser information, and therefore does not change at the best times. Simple enough? --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 15:34:00 <Stuart> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:22, Marc Archbold wrote: > > It's the same as a computer mouse, everything is differential, so an > > abritary > > start point must be assumed. > Exactly the point - Hence the need to set a reference with the test jumper > enabled. Um, the test jumper doesn't set any reference... it just allows you to see the changes. Remember, the sensor system is totally powered down with the key off, so the ECU does not track changes during this time.. so any reference set that rarely would be useless.

RE: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 15:34:00 <Hunt M> Re-worded sorry..... It's hard to see from the pic but is it in the engine bay or cabin? How hard is it to get to/see? Hunt -----Original Message----- From: bounce-33193-72@list.supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-33193-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Hunt M Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2004 3:33 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: RE: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting So where exactly is this almighty sensor on the steering wheel? http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM/fa/FA_29.html Hunt -----Original Message----- From: bounce-33190-72@list.supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-33190-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Stuart Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2004 3:15 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: Re: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:09, Hunt M wrote: > Thanks but that's not my question - my question is this > > You clearly stated that UNLESS you start your TEMS fitted Toyota with the > steering wheel straight the TEMS system will be a little "muddled up" and > not perform at its best - My question within is this - Does this mean that > the TEMS system adjusts to a level other than the one pre-determined by the > "Normal/Sport" mode buttons? OR means that you will have to turn an extra > bit more towards the left (steering wheel turned to right when car started > for example) for the TEMS unit to work effectively? > > How can it work OK and also work BEST?? There are 3 levels of adjustment - > its not a fully adjustable system with multiple variables.... Sigh, try and think about this carefully Hunt. The TEMS does not work at it's best because it changes settings at different times, it chooses the best time when it has the best information, which is when the car is started with the wheels pointed forward. otherwise it has less good information, and is choosing the times to change based on that lesser information, and therefore does not change at the best times. Simple enough? --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/ --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

	Re: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 15:38:00 <Stuart> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:34, Hunt M wrote: > Re-worded sorry..... > It's hard to see from the pic but is it in the engine bay or cabin? > How hard is it to get to/see? cabin, down low, quite a bitch to get at.

RE: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 15:45:00 <Hunt M> Has anyone got any pics of what it looks like? -----Original Message----- From: bounce-33196-72@list.supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-33196-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Stuart Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2004 3:38 p.m. To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List Subject: Re: [sconz] TEMS Start up setting On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:34, Hunt M wrote: > Re-worded sorry..... > It's hard to see from the pic but is it in the engine bay or cabin? > How hard is it to get to/see? cabin, down low, quite a bitch to get at. --- Supra Club of New Zealand http://www.supras.org.nz/

	RE: TEMS Start up setting   2004-04-28 19:28:00 <Jason Tomlins> http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM/sr/SR_07.html TEMS sensor Jason T

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