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cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 12:37:00 <Hunt M>
Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's - yes
there is - forced induction :)
Now lets work this out:

13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor wheel
14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has almost
exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.

0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact that
you have half my engine again! :)

My 15.4 cents

Hunt

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To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma


no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
1g's are cool
1j's are cool
but we got the cubes ;)
and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix sweet
as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free :D

instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
need another mk3 body for flatmate :D


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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 12:45:00 <Lachlan Chapman>
Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare power...

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From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


><blah blah blah drivel>
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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 12:47:00 <Cully Paterson>
...and vehicle weight, especially when it comes to Hunt's no-options bare-as
GA70 vs Rob's fully spec'd MA70...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


> Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare power...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
> Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> ><blah blah blah drivel>
>
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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 12:50:00 <Hunt M>
dads trap speed for the 13.8 was 161.2 - for my 14.04 158.3

fully spec'd???
no ABS - no aero roof - oh wait it has wide body gaurds - ooohh they must
weigh heaps..........

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From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


...and vehicle weight, especially when it comes to Hunt's no-options bare-as
GA70 vs Rob's fully spec'd MA70...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


> Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare power...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
> Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> ><blah blah blah drivel>
>
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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 12:50:00 <William Scollay>
The only substitute for cubic inches is.........CUBIC FEET !
----- Original Message -----
From: Hunt M
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's - yes
there is - forced induction :)
Now lets work this out:

13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor wheel
14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has almost
exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.

0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact that
you have half my engine again! :)

My 15.4 cents

Hunt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma


no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
1g's are cool
1j's are cool
but we got the cubes ;)
and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix sweet
as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free :D

instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
need another mk3 body for flatmate :D



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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 12:54:00 <Cully Paterson>
TEMS, R154, Electric seats(?), Cruise Control, etc. It adds up.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


> dads trap speed for the 13.8 was 161.2 - for my 14.04 158.3
>
> fully spec'd???
> no ABS - no aero roof - oh wait it has wide body gaurds - ooohh they must
> weigh heaps..........
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> ...and vehicle weight, especially when it comes to Hunt's no-options
bare-as
> GA70 vs Rob's fully spec'd MA70...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> > Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare
power...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
> > Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > ><blah blah blah drivel>
> >
> > ---
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> > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
>
>
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>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 13:31:00 <Hunt M>
Tems - don't weight that much extra - 5 kg's MAX?? - if that? Whats extra
for tems? Actuators which are like 200grams each? Shocks don't weigh any
different?
Electric seats - not any more so than mine - ie. Only lumber and side
support. No difference here!
Cruise control - not that much, WAY less than 5 kg's worth
R154 - no more than 5-10kg's?

How about the fact that I race with my sounds in the boot - two amps, two
12" subs in a rather heavy box - weighs about 35kg's.....

Anything else to comment on??

Hunt

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[mailto:bounce-34654-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:55 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

TEMS, R154, Electric seats(?), Cruise Control, etc. It adds up.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


> dads trap speed for the 13.8 was 161.2 - for my 14.04 158.3
>
> fully spec'd???
> no ABS - no aero roof - oh wait it has wide body gaurds - ooohh they must
> weigh heaps..........
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> ...and vehicle weight, especially when it comes to Hunt's no-options
bare-as
> GA70 vs Rob's fully spec'd MA70...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> > Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare
power...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
> > Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > ><blah blah blah drivel>
> >
> > ---
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> > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
>
>
> ---
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>
>
>
>
> ---
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re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 13:32:00 <Brett>
campare these two pages.

http://www.toyota-supra.info/models/1989_8/4599/
This is pretty close to your car hunt - (in its original auto N/A form) now dont say that you have a turbo that weighs your car down, because the auto is much heavier than the 5spd. so they can cancel each other.

http://www.toyota-supra.info/models/1989_8/4595/
This is mine. fully spec'd targa top, elec seats, cc, tems, rah de rah.

Have a look at curb weight. 180kg difference!!

Regards

Brett
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 13:40:00 <Hunt M>
And we are comparing my dads car and 1/4 mile time to mine - dads is NOT
fully spec'd - no ABS - no AERO roof.

Interesting - where does the extra weight come from then?
They measured both the cars as auto tho - how much would the 7M auto weigh
as opposed to the R154 and how much does the 1G auto weigh as opposed to the
W5x boxes?
And the weight between the N/A and turbo 1G cant be that much - turbo set up
would weigh - what about 15 kg's? maybe slightly more?
Does anyone know what the weight of a 1G-GE, 1G-GTE, 7M-GE and 7M-GTE is?

Cheers
Hunt

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34656-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34656-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Brett
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 1:27 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: re:[sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

campare these two pages.

http://www.toyota-supra.info/models/1989_8/4599/
This is pretty close to your car hunt - (in its original auto N/A form) now
dont say that you have a turbo that weighs your car down, because the auto
is much heavier than the 5spd. so they can cancel each other.

http://www.toyota-supra.info/models/1989_8/4595/
This is mine. fully spec'd targa top, elec seats, cc, tems, rah de rah.

Have a look at curb weight. 180kg difference!!

Regards

Brett
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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 13:42:00 <Cully Paterson>


> Tems - don't weight that much extra - 5 kg's MAX?? - if that? Whats extra
> for tems? Actuators which are like 200grams each? Shocks don't weigh any
> different?

Shock are heavier, loom to each corner of the car, additional loom for TEMS
computer, steering wheel sensor, display.


> Electric seats - not any more so than mine - ie. Only lumber and side
> support. No difference here!

Have you picked up the fully electric seats? They're *heavy*. I had to
ship one to the US - had to send it in two parts as it was over the weight
limit as a whole item.


> Cruise control - not that much, WAY less than 5 kg's worth

Computer, bellows, piping, throttle linkage, loom, switches.


> R154 - no more than 5-10kg's?

About 12 from memory.


> Anything else to comment on??

Only that it all adds up. Little things like 6 speaker stereos as standard
all go to make a significant difference.


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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 13:58:00 <Brett>
Have a look here, all models are listed..

http://www.toyota-supra.info/models/1989_8/

the A340E auto (standard in my GA70 and MA70) are very heavy, much heavier than my W55. R154s are signifigantly heavier than the W5x boxes.

i can imagine a 7M with your same turbo would rip sh1t up. and you were saying you spent a few thousand dollars to get where you are??

a few thousand dollars spent on a 7M would be nice.

* T04 and manifold
* FCD
* 550s
* and a wastegate welded shut

muhahahaha
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 14:07:00 <Hunt M>

>> Tems - don't weight that much extra - 5 kg's MAX?? - if that? Whats extra
>> for tems? Actuators which are like 200grams each? Shocks don't weigh any
>> different?

>Shock are heavier, loom to each corner of the car, additional loom for TEMS
>computer, steering wheel sensor, display.

Shocks are marginally heavier - would not say more than 2kg's each - so
8kg's all up - wiring from corner to corner of car - less than 2kg's - its
not 3 phase


>> Electric seats - not any more so than mine - ie. Only lumber and side
>> support. No difference here!

>Have you picked up the fully electric seats? They're *heavy*. I had to
>ship one to the US - had to send it in two parts as it was over the weight
>limit as a whole item.

I have picked up electric seats - great to know they are heavy - however my
dad has THE SAME seats as mine so this comment is irrelevant.

>> Cruise control - not that much, WAY less than 5 kg's worth

>Computer, bellows, piping, throttle linkage, loom, switches.

Would be VERY surprised if all this was more than 5kg's

>> R154 - no more than 5-10kg's?

> About 12 from memory.

More than I was expecting but I'll believe ya :)

>> Anything else to comment on??

> Only that it all adds up. Little things like 6 speaker stereos as
> standard
> all go to make a significant difference.

Dads doesn't have 6 speaker stereo - NZ new - four speaker set up.

OH!! And we took out dads spare tire when I raced and did the 13.8!! :)

So in conclusion we have:

10 kg's for tems
4 kg's for CC
12 kg's for R154 vs W5x box

26kg's difference - not including the fact that the 7M-GTE weighs more the
1G-GTE.
His car (minus the engine weight difference) is heavier than mine by 26 kg's
- my sub box weighs around 35 (or more) kg's, 10kg's up on him so far - now
for engine weight comparisons....???

Cheers
Hunt

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 14:15:00 <Doig, Richard>

> 26kg's difference - not including the fact that the 7M-GTE
> weighs more the
> 1G-GTE.
> His car (minus the engine weight difference) is heavier than
> mine by 26 kg's
> - my sub box weighs around 35 (or more) kg's, 10kg's up on
> him so far - now
> for engine weight comparisons....???

Without actually weighing both cars your arguments are theorectical wänkery.


We all bow before the mighty Hunt and how fast his wonderful car is!!

Being in the 14's for a modified turbo 2.0 litre is not very fast. Admit it
and move onwards otherwise your chest will get sore from all the beating...

Yawn...

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 14:24:00 <Hunt M>
LOL you make me laugh, oh wise one.

How much does it cost to weigh cars? Would love to take both cars there on
the same day....

You are correct when you say that 14 flat is not very fast for a modified
2litre.
I cannot wind the boost above 9psi as I lean out, plugs suggest this - also
getting mixture lean error code - perhaps it could have been due to my fuel
filter having 240,000 km's on it....since replaced and fuel pump and rising
rate fuel pressure regulator.

Would be interesting to see what it will do @ 16-17psi - if at 9psi she gets
14 flat.

I challenge you to race at Meremere one day (racing on the street is for
eggs). We shall then see who is to bow down.... ;-)

Hunt

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bounce-34661-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Doig, Richard
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 2:15 p.m.
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> 26kg's difference - not including the fact that the 7M-GTE
> weighs more the
> 1G-GTE.
> His car (minus the engine weight difference) is heavier than
> mine by 26 kg's
> - my sub box weighs around 35 (or more) kg's, 10kg's up on
> him so far - now
> for engine weight comparisons....???

Without actually weighing both cars your arguments are theorectical wšnkery.


We all bow before the mighty Hunt and how fast his wonderful car is!!

Being in the 14's for a modified turbo 2.0 litre is not very fast. Admit it
and move onwards otherwise your chest will get sore from all the beating...

Yawn...

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 14:27:00 <Hunt M>
Correction - fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are soon to come - not
done YET.

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34663-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34663-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Hunt M
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 2:24 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

LOL you make me laugh, oh wise one.

How much does it cost to weigh cars? Would love to take both cars there on
the same day....

You are correct when you say that 14 flat is not very fast for a modified
2litre.
I cannot wind the boost above 9psi as I lean out, plugs suggest this - also
getting mixture lean error code - perhaps it could have been due to my fuel
filter having 240,000 km's on it....since replaced and fuel pump and rising
rate fuel pressure regulator.

Would be interesting to see what it will do @ 16-17psi - if at 9psi she gets
14 flat.

I challenge you to race at Meremere one day (racing on the street is for
eggs). We shall then see who is to bow down.... ;-)

Hunt

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34661-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34661-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Doig, Richard
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 2:15 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


> 26kg's difference - not including the fact that the 7M-GTE
> weighs more the
> 1G-GTE.
> His car (minus the engine weight difference) is heavier than
> mine by 26 kg's
> - my sub box weighs around 35 (or more) kg's, 10kg's up on
> him so far - now
> for engine weight comparisons....???

Without actually weighing both cars your arguments are theorectical wšnkery.


We all bow before the mighty Hunt and how fast his wonderful car is!!

Being in the 14's for a modified turbo 2.0 litre is not very fast. Admit it
and move onwards otherwise your chest will get sore from all the beating...

Yawn...

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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 14:32:00 <Lachlan Chapman>
Assuming my car is ready, can i get in on this race?


Its pretty stock, sits somewhere in the middle capacity wise. :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>
> Would be interesting to see what it will do @ 16-17psi - if at 9psi she
gets
> 14 flat.
>
> I challenge you to race at Meremere one day (racing on the street is for
> eggs). We shall then see who is to bow down.... ;-)

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 14:36:00 <Hunt M>
Stock 1JZ?
Sweet!!
Manual or auto?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bounce-34665-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Lachlan Chapman
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 2:32 p.m.
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Assuming my car is ready, can i get in on this race?


Its pretty stock, sits somewhere in the middle capacity wise. :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>
> Would be interesting to see what it will do @ 16-17psi - if at 9psi she
gets
> 14 flat.
>
> I challenge you to race at Meremere one day (racing on the street is for
> eggs). We shall then see who is to bow down.... ;-)


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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 14:50:00 <Lachlan Chapman>
I'm more in the nissan camp :)

If i mention any more i might get flamed to death ;)

It has bolt on mods. Manual.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>


> Stock 1JZ?
> Sweet!!
> Manual or auto?
>

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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 15:05:00 <Ben Nuttall>
And the model type may or may not contain an 'R' preceeded by 'GT'?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:50:19 +1200
Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> I'm more in the nissan camp :)
>
> If i mention any more i might get flamed to death ;)
>
> It has bolt on mods. Manual.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>
>
> > Stock 1JZ?
> > Sweet!!
> > Manual or auto?
> >
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 15:11:00 <Andy S>
Just out of interest, I shipped a CT26 + manifold, it
weighed 22 kg.

Do both cars have AC? I believe all that would weigh
30kg+

What about the amount of gas in the tank at the time?
Can be a big difference :-)

Lastly, the times are so close, the difference could
just be down to one car having a particularly good
run, anbd the other not such a good one. Noone gets
consistent drag times.

Oh yeah, 7MGTE's rule all. Hehe

Cheers
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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 15:14:00 <Lachlan Chapman>
That would be correct, it may or may not have some of those letters, but i
think all skylines have some of those letters :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Nuttall" <supra@sideways.co.nz>
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Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


> And the model type may or may not contain an 'R' preceeded by 'GT'?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:50:19 +1200
> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
> > I'm more in the nissan camp :)
> >
> > If i mention any more i might get flamed to death ;)
> >
> > It has bolt on mods. Manual.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >
> >
> > > Stock 1JZ?
> > > Sweet!!
> > > Manual or auto?
> > >
> >
> >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 15:18:00 <Hunt M>
22 kg that's a fair whack!!

Dad's car does have A/C - I took mine out - motor and radiator (motor weighs
about 8kg's and radiator is next to nothing - piping is alloy - also next to
nothing.

I had about 1/3 tank - as did dad.

I did 4 14.2's that day - first runs were in the 15's once learned what the
track was like and how to launch on the day I was doing consistent
14.04-14.2's.

Oh and did I mention that my clutch was buggered too so had to launch softly
:( and gear changes had to be VERY slow :)

Oh yeah 7M's do rule!!!
But 1G's are cooler :)

Hunt

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34669-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34669-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Andy S
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 3:11 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

Just out of interest, I shipped a CT26 + manifold, it
weighed 22 kg.

Do both cars have AC? I believe all that would weigh
30kg+

What about the amount of gas in the tank at the time?
Can be a big difference :-)

Lastly, the times are so close, the difference could
just be down to one car having a particularly good
run, anbd the other not such a good one. Noone gets
consistent drag times.

Oh yeah, 7MGTE's rule all. Hehe

Cheers
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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 15:18:00 <john@...>
I'd be keen on getting involved in that race too...

as long as mr lachlan isnt (or if he doesnt have that little "r")

I have a 2 litre turbo...

Quoting Lachlan Chapman <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>:

> That would be correct, it may or may not have some of those letters, but i
> think all skylines have some of those letters :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Nuttall" <supra@sideways.co.nz>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> > And the model type may or may not contain an 'R' preceeded by 'GT'?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:50:19 +1200
> > Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> > > I'm more in the nissan camp :)
> > >
> > > If i mention any more i might get flamed to death ;)
> > >
> > > It has bolt on mods. Manual.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >
> > >
> > > > Stock 1JZ?
> > > > Sweet!!
> > > > Manual or auto?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 17:00:00 <Marc Archbold>


Have I missed the point here?
I can understand your enthusiasm for Supras, but what is your point?
Ive owned both the 1G-GTE and 1JZ-GTE Supra and they're both great cars.

- Marc




> 22 kg that's a fair whack!!
>
> Dad's car does have A/C - I took mine out - motor and radiator (motor
> weighs
> about 8kg's and radiator is next to nothing - piping is alloy - also
> next to
> nothing.
>
> I had about 1/3 tank - as did dad.
>
> I did 4 14.2's that day - first runs were in the 15's once learned what
> the
> track was like and how to launch on the day I was doing consistent
> 14.04-14.2's.
>
> Oh and did I mention that my clutch was buggered too so had to launch
> softly
> :( and gear changes had to be VERY slow :)
>
> Oh yeah 7M's do rule!!!
> But 1G's are cooler :)
>
> Hunt

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 17:12:00 <Hunt M>
It all started with Brett's post on Monday about a crank being bent and the
fact that it cant have cos its not a "little" 1G :)

My argument is in regards to a comparison between the 7M and the 1G and
which is "stronger" or can produce more power per litre.

I am in NO WAY saying that 7M's are bad - just think that 1G's seem to have
a bad rap for power even though they don't do too badly at all in regards to
power per litre compared to the "almighty" 7M when "juiced up".

I think this discussion is well and truly worn out...

Hunt

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34674-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34674-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Marc Archbold
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 5:00 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better



Have I missed the point here?
I can understand your enthusiasm for Supras, but what is your point?
Ive owned both the 1G-GTE and 1JZ-GTE Supra and they're both great cars.

- Marc




> 22 kg that's a fair whack!!
>
> Dad's car does have A/C - I took mine out - motor and radiator (motor
> weighs
> about 8kg's and radiator is next to nothing - piping is alloy - also
> next to
> nothing.
>
> I had about 1/3 tank - as did dad.
>
> I did 4 14.2's that day - first runs were in the 15's once learned what
> the
> track was like and how to launch on the day I was doing consistent
> 14.04-14.2's.
>
> Oh and did I mention that my clutch was buggered too so had to launch
> softly
> :( and gear changes had to be VERY slow :)
>
> Oh yeah 7M's do rule!!!
> But 1G's are cooler :)
>
> Hunt


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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 17:32:00 <Cully Paterson>


> My argument is in regards to a comparison between the 7M and
> the 1G and which is "stronger" or can produce more power per litre.
>
> I am in NO WAY saying that 7M's are bad - just think that
> 1G's seem to have a bad rap for power even though they don't
> do too badly at all in regards to power per litre compared to
> the "almighty" 7M when "juiced up".

So why didn't you say that days ago?

Tell you what Hunt, why don't you actually dyno your car, then you'll
have something real to back up what you're saying? So far the only
basis for comparison we have on a single turbo'd 1G is Robbi's car that
was barely making more than a stock 7M+exhaust.

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 17:38:00 <Hunt M>
That is what I intend on doing and given the money situation I hope to have
it done soon.

All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his single
turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with the stock TT setup @ 12
psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed valve, ran a 14.4 with that
set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now running 9psi and car feels
and is a lot stronger than before......

Hunt

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[mailto:bounce-34677-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 5:32 p.m.
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Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better



> My argument is in regards to a comparison between the 7M and
> the 1G and which is "stronger" or can produce more power per litre.
>
> I am in NO WAY saying that 7M's are bad - just think that
> 1G's seem to have a bad rap for power even though they don't
> do too badly at all in regards to power per litre compared to
> the "almighty" 7M when "juiced up".

So why didn't you say that days ago?

Tell you what Hunt, why don't you actually dyno your car, then you'll
have something real to back up what you're saying? So far the only
basis for comparison we have on a single turbo'd 1G is Robbi's car that
was barely making more than a stock 7M+exhaust.


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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 17:44:00 <Hunt M>
Oh and bear in mind that with the TT setup when I ran the 14.4 @12psi and
14.2 @ 14psi I was using my 4.7:1 LSD - the 14flat that I got with the
single was using a 3.9:1 OPEN diff on 205 tires :)


-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34678-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34678-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Hunt M
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 5:38 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

That is what I intend on doing and given the money situation I hope to have
it done soon.

All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his single
turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with the stock TT setup @ 12
psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed valve, ran a 14.4 with that
set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now running 9psi and car feels
and is a lot stronger than before......

Hunt

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34677-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34677-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 5:32 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better



> My argument is in regards to a comparison between the 7M and
> the 1G and which is "stronger" or can produce more power per litre.
>
> I am in NO WAY saying that 7M's are bad - just think that
> 1G's seem to have a bad rap for power even though they don't
> do too badly at all in regards to power per litre compared to
> the "almighty" 7M when "juiced up".

So why didn't you say that days ago?

Tell you what Hunt, why don't you actually dyno your car, then you'll
have something real to back up what you're saying? So far the only
basis for comparison we have on a single turbo'd 1G is Robbi's car that
was barely making more than a stock 7M+exhaust.


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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 18:19:00 <Cully Paterson>

> All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with
> his single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> the stock TT setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust
> and bleed valve, ran a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @
> 14psi boost same day - now running 9psi and car feels and is
> a lot stronger than before......

You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually mean
something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I dyno'd with 112kw
MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a better 1/4 time than me. It may
as well be random numbers.

Cully
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 18:21:00 <Hunt M>
Perhaps the driver?

Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)

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[mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


> All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with
> his single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> the stock TT setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust
> and bleed valve, ran a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @
> 14psi boost same day - now running 9psi and car feels and is
> a lot stronger than before......

You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually mean
something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I dyno'd with 112kw
MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a better 1/4 time than me. It may
as well be random numbers.

Cully

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 18:27:00 <Cully Paterson>
Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never
be able to prove otherwise...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> To: SCONZ.list Forward
> Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
> Perhaps the driver?
>
> Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> Cully Paterson
> Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
> > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> the stock TT
> > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> valve, ran
> > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
> > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......
>
> You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> mean something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I
> dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> better 1/4 time than me. It may as well be random numbers.
>
> Cully
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 18:28:00 <Hunt M>
I know that 1/4 mile times are in no way a decent way to gauge two cars'
performance or power output - how ever it does baffle me how I managed to,
at a lower boost level than Robbies car get the same rwhp as his.... was his
car auto?

Hunt

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[mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


> All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with
> his single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> the stock TT setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust
> and bleed valve, ran a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @
> 14psi boost same day - now running 9psi and car feels and is
> a lot stronger than before......

You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually mean
something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I dyno'd with 112kw
MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a better 1/4 time than me. It may
as well be random numbers.

Cully

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 18:31:00 <Hunt M>
Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some (anyone
who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose traction
and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track
racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go over
that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't like
the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally hundreds of
hours on to get to the level that it is at.
Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera
owners :)

Hunt

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never
be able to prove otherwise...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> To: SCONZ.list Forward
> Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
> Perhaps the driver?
>
> Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> Cully Paterson
> Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
> > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> the stock TT
> > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> valve, ran
> > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
> > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......
>
> You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> mean something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I
> dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> better 1/4 time than me. It may as well be random numbers.
>
> Cully
>
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>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:04:00 <john shannon>

Now what can i say or do i the one that said thay have 112kw more power than suze all i can say you have got some thing wrong there unless you have got so much lag that slows you down becouse suze as done a 13.6 and with a 112kw more you should be in the 12sec eny way my best time so far is a 12.6 and 184km not to bad hey for a auto but i will smash that very soon.

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
>
>Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some (anyone
>who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose traction
>and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track
>racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go over
>that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't like
>the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally hundreds of
>hours on to get to the level that it is at.
>Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera
>owners :)
>
>Hunt
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never
>be able to prove otherwise...
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> > Perhaps the driver?
> >
> > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames*  :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> > Cully Paterson
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
> > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > the stock TT
> > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > valve, ran
> > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
> > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......
> >
> > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> > mean something.  In a road car it's just irrelevant!  I
> > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> > better 1/4 time than me.  It may as well be random numbers.
> >
> > Cully
> >
> > ---
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> >
> >
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> >
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:14:00 <john shannon>

Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my work shop funny that hey. 

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
>
>Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some (anyone
>who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose traction
>and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track
>racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go over
>that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't like
>the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally hundreds of
>hours on to get to the level that it is at.
>Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera
>owners :)
>
>Hunt
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never
>be able to prove otherwise...
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> > Perhaps the driver?
> >
> > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames*  :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> > Cully Paterson
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
> > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > the stock TT
> > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > valve, ran
> > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
> > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......
> >
> > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> > mean something.  In a road car it's just irrelevant!  I
> > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> > better 1/4 time than me.  It may as well be random numbers.
> >
> > Cully
> >
> > ---
> > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website
> > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
> >
> > ---
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> > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
>
>---
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>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:17:00 <Hunt M>
Must be the company they are in :-)



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From: bounce-34686-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34686-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better



Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my work
shop funny that hey.

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>

>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200

>

>Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some (anyone


>who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
traction

>and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track

>racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go over

>that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't like

>the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally hundreds
of

>hours on to get to the level that it is at.

>Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera

>owners :)

>

>Hunt

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz

>[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson

>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.

>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>

>Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never

>be able to prove otherwise...

>

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]

> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.

> > To: SCONZ.list Forward

> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> >

> > Perhaps the driver?

> >

> > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz

> > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of

> > Cully Paterson

> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.

> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> >

> >

> > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his

> > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with

> > the stock TT

> > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed

> > valve, ran

> > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now

> > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......

> >

> > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually

> > mean something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I

> > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a

> > better 1/4 time than me. It may as well be random numbers.

> >

> > Cully

> >

> > ---

> > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website

> > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz

> >

> >

> > ---

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> > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz

> >

>

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>

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:25:00 <Suze W>
so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
injection :P


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
>
>Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's - yes
>there is - forced induction :)
>Now lets work this out:
>
>13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor wheel
>14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has almost
>exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
>
>0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact
>that
>you have half my engine again! :)
>
>My 15.4 cents
>
>Hunt
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
>Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
>
>
>no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
>1g's are cool
>1j's are cool
>but we got the cubes ;)
>and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix sweet
>as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free :D
>
>instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
>need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
>
>
>
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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:26:00 <Suze W>
k 175kph ;)

my 13.9c lol


>From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:44:54 +1200
>
>Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare power...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
>Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> ><blah blah blah drivel>
>
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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:27:00 <Suze W>
ok lol 13.9 @ 175kph with extreme water injection & 1620kg :P


>From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:46:59 +1200
>
>...and vehicle weight, especially when it comes to Hunt's no-options
>bare-as
>GA70 vs Rob's fully spec'd MA70...
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> > Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare
>power...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
> > Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > ><blah blah blah drivel>
> >
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>http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:28:00 <Hunt M>
What boost were you on?


-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
injection :P


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
>
>Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's - yes
>there is - forced induction :)
>Now lets work this out:
>
>13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor wheel
>14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has almost
>exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
>
>0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact
>that
>you have half my engine again! :)
>
>My 15.4 cents
>
>Hunt
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
>Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
>
>
>no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
>1g's are cool
>1j's are cool
>but we got the cubes ;)
>and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix sweet
>as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free :D
>
>instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
>need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
>
>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:30:00 <john shannon>

she had no boost just water injection.

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:27:34 +1200
>
>What boost were you on?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
>injection :P
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> >
> >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's - yes
> >there is - forced induction :)
> >Now lets work this out:
> >
> >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor wheel
> >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has almost
> >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> >
> >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact
> >that
> >you have half my engine again! :)
> >
> >My 15.4 cents
> >
> >Hunt
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> >
> >
> >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> >1g's are cool
> >1j's are cool
> >but we got the cubes ;)
> >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix sweet
> >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free :D
> >
> >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> >
> >
> >
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>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:39:00 <Hunt M>
If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that bad at
all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with performance @
the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before it would
have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran - only when
you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did you start
to have problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
injection :P


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
>
>Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's - yes
>there is - forced induction :)
>Now lets work this out:
>
>13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor wheel
>14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has almost
>exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
>
>0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact
>that
>you have half my engine again! :)
>
>My 15.4 cents
>
>Hunt
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
>Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
>
>
>no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
>1g's are cool
>1j's are cool
>but we got the cubes ;)
>and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix sweet
>as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free :D
>
>instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
>need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
>
>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:42:00 <Marc Archbold>

Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why
the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive such
great results with your car; why? This list group is for contributors,
not vaunting.

Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The way
I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single package.


Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening.
Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
John, How many transmissions will it take?


Cordially,
Marc




-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my
work shop funny that hey.


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
>
>Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
(anyone
>who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
traction
>and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track

>racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
over
>that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't
like
>the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
hundreds of
>hours on to get to the level that it is at.
>Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera

>owners :)
>
>Hunt
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson

>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never

>be able to prove otherwise...
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> > Perhaps the driver?
> >
> > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> > Cully Paterson
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
> > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > the stock TT
> > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > valve, ran
> > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
> > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......

> >
> > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> > mean something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I
> > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> > better 1/4 time than me. It may as well be random numbers.
> >
> > Cully
> >
> > ---
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> >
> >
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> >
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:43:00 <Suze W>
10psi as i hadn't adjusted my controller for weeks ;)


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:27:34 +1200
>
>What boost were you on?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
>injection :P
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> >
> >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's -
>yes
> >there is - forced induction :)
> >Now lets work this out:
> >
> >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor
>wheel
> >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has
>almost
> >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> >
> >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact
> >that
> >you have half my engine again! :)
> >
> >My 15.4 cents
> >
> >Hunt
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> >
> >
> >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> >1g's are cool
> >1j's are cool
> >but we got the cubes ;)
> >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix
>sweet
> >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free :D
> >
> >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> >
> >
> >
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>
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>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:45:00 <Suze W>
so the contents of water that was... in my engine being all over the track
and the engine sounding rather terrible on the way down means my engine was
sweet? lmao


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:38:29 +1200
>
>If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that bad at
>all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with performance @
>the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before it would
>have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran - only when
>you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did you
>start
>to have problems.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
>injection :P
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> >
> >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's -
>yes
> >there is - forced induction :)
> >Now lets work this out:
> >
> >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor
>wheel
> >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has
>almost
> >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> >
> >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact
> >that
> >you have half my engine again! :)
> >
> >My 15.4 cents
> >
> >Hunt
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> >
> >
> >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> >1g's are cool
> >1j's are cool
> >but we got the cubes ;)
> >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix
>sweet
> >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free :D
> >
> >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> >
> >
> >
> >---
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> >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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>
>
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>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:52:00 <Suze W>
>Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.

oh and why do you think i've done this?
ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it will blow up my car straight
away
i do believe thats the only thing that the supra club in general believe was
the wrong way to do things
if you would like me to share i will happily do so,
and if you would like to read previous posts on what i have said about my
engine you will know why i blew it... oh and you knew this was going to
happen, would you like to enlighten me how you knew? oh and what it was
exactly that blew it?

mods to my almighty and powerful 7m
boost 10psi
3 1/2 in exhaust
filter
550x300x75 intercooler
exhaust ported head to match the manifold
to4e ct26
hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the 7mgte)

my car is my daily driver and drag car :D

there's my big list of mods ;)



>From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200
>
>
>Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why
>the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive such
>great results with your car; why? This list group is for contributors,
>not vaunting.
>
>Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The way
>I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single package.
>
>
>Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
>quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening.
>Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
>John, How many transmissions will it take?
>
>
>Cordially,
>Marc
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my
>work shop funny that hey.
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
> >
> >Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
>(anyone
> >who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
>traction
> >and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track
>
> >racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
>over
> >that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't
>like
> >the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
>hundreds of
> >hours on to get to the level that it is at.
> >Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera
>
> >owners :)
> >
> >Hunt
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
>
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never
>
> >be able to prove otherwise...
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > > Perhaps the driver?
> > >
> > > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> > > Cully Paterson
> > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >
> > > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
> > > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > > the stock TT
> > > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > > valve, ran
> > > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
> > > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......
>
> > >
> > > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> > > mean something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I
> > > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> > > better 1/4 time than me. It may as well be random numbers.
> > >
> > > Cully
> > >
> > > ---
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> > > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
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> > > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > >
> >
> >---
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> >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
>http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
> >
> >---
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> >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
>http://www.turbo.co.nz
>
>
>
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>
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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 20:57:00 <Rob M>
Most important compare axle ratios; 3.75ish vs 4.5
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


> ...and vehicle weight, especially when it comes to Hunt's no-options
bare-as
> GA70 vs Rob's fully spec'd MA70...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> > Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare
power...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
> > Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > ><blah blah blah drivel>
> >
> > ---
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> > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:01:00 <Hunt M>
Perhaps it's a way of contributing - sort of like "look this is what I did
and look at the result" - of course often not positive but sometimes.

Yes my car is my daily driver - yes I want it to be a fast straight liner
but like you say it is very difficult to have both in the same package -
hence not wanting to turn boost over 9psi - for now.

I have issues with my car running properly - yes - but hey how can you find
out what the limit of something is without going over it - remembering that
generally what I have done no-one else has so there is no help or solid
advice available - when there is I thank you all - even though I often will
try my own theories first :)

Suze - yes your engine blew - bugger - perhaps you should get a 1G - oh wait
no no cos at least now when I beat you, you can say "oh it must be because
he has a 1G" :)

John - yes you do seem to be going through a lot of gearboxes - not really a
lot you could do about it - go manual? Sure you could but perhaps you'd end
up going through the same amount of clutches?

Moral of the story is thus - you're grandparents Toyota Camry - is a lot
more reliable than your supra - you're friends Corolla never breaks down -
aren't exactly performance cars - how often do you see a F1 car or a V8
super car go season after season without having anything replaced? Not
often....

Hunt

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Marc Archbold
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:42 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why
the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive such
great results with your car; why? This list group is for contributors,
not vaunting.

Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The way
I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single package.


Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening.
Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
John, How many transmissions will it take?


Cordially,
Marc




-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my
work shop funny that hey.


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
>
>Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
(anyone
>who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
traction
>and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track

>racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
over
>that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't
like
>the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
hundreds of
>hours on to get to the level that it is at.
>Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera

>owners :)
>
>Hunt
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson

>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never

>be able to prove otherwise...
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> > Perhaps the driver?
> >
> > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> > Cully Paterson
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
> > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > the stock TT
> > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > valve, ran
> > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
> > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......

> >
> > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> > mean something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I
> > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> > better 1/4 time than me. It may as well be random numbers.
> >
> > Cully
> >
> > ---
> > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website
> > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website
> > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
>
>---
>Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
>Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
http://www.turbo.co.nz
>
>
>---
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>Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:01:00 <Hunt M>
The water only spurted out at the END of the strip!! I should know because
(hate admitting this) but I was behind you during that race!!!
And the water all over your engine bay etc was from that water heater hose
blowing off - sure a BHG will pressurise the cooling system but the hose
that blew off wasn't held on by the newest or strongest hose clip was it?

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:45 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

so the contents of water that was... in my engine being all over the track
and the engine sounding rather terrible on the way down means my engine was
sweet? lmao


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:38:29 +1200
>
>If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that bad at
>all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with performance @
>the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before it would
>have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran - only when
>you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did you
>start
>to have problems.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
>injection :P
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> >
> >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's -
>yes
> >there is - forced induction :)
> >Now lets work this out:
> >
> >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor
>wheel
> >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has
>almost
> >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> >
> >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact
> >that
> >you have half my engine again! :)
> >
> >My 15.4 cents
> >
> >Hunt
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> >
> >
> >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> >1g's are cool
> >1j's are cool
> >but we got the cubes ;)
> >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix
>sweet
> >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free :D
> >
> >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> >
> >
> >
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>
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>
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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:01:00 <john shannon>

I think we need to do a supra day at the drags very soon to sort this out.

i
>From: "Rob M" <r.moorhouse@xtra.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:56:59 +1200
>
>Most important compare axle ratios; 3.75ish vs 4.5
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> > ...and vehicle weight, especially when it comes to Hunt's no-options
>bare-as
> > GA70 vs Rob's fully spec'd MA70...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > > Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare
>power...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
> > > Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >
> > > ><blah blah blah drivel>
> > >
> > > ---
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>http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
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>
>
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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:01:00 <Suze W>
axle ratios as in diff?
mine is a 4.1 torsen :)
sorry forgot to add that to my mods :)


>From: "Rob M" <r.moorhouse@xtra.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:56:59 +1200
>
>Most important compare axle ratios; 3.75ish vs 4.5
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> > ...and vehicle weight, especially when it comes to Hunt's no-options
>bare-as
> > GA70 vs Rob's fully spec'd MA70...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > > Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare
>power...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
> > > Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >
> > > ><blah blah blah drivel>
> > >
> > > ---
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> > > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
>http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
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> > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
>http://www.turbo.co.nz
>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:02:00 <Hunt M>
4.7:1 actually..... :)


-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34706-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34706-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Rob M
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:57 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

Most important compare axle ratios; 3.75ish vs 4.5
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


> ...and vehicle weight, especially when it comes to Hunt's no-options
bare-as
> GA70 vs Rob's fully spec'd MA70...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> > Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare
power...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
> > Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > ><blah blah blah drivel>
> >
> > ---
> > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
>
>
> ---
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:06:00 <Suze W>
tell you what hunt, i'll bring the hose clamp which was a norma type one to
work tomorra and show you it shall i, i replaced it a year ago when i
repaired the hg the first time :P
so a one year old clamp should hold on fairly well and the fact that we had
to loosen it severly to get it back on so we could start cooling the engine
so we didn't end up with warpage issues ;)
and the hose i blew off was the main feed to the head so i would assume
thats fairly serious :P


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:00:47 +1200
>
>The water only spurted out at the END of the strip!! I should know because
>(hate admitting this) but I was behind you during that race!!!
>And the water all over your engine bay etc was from that water heater hose
>blowing off - sure a BHG will pressurise the cooling system but the hose
>that blew off wasn't held on by the newest or strongest hose clip was it?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:45 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>so the contents of water that was... in my engine being all over the track
>and the engine sounding rather terrible on the way down means my engine was
>sweet? lmao
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:38:29 +1200
> >
> >If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that bad at
> >all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with performance
>@
> >the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before it
>would
> >have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran - only when
> >you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did you
> >start
> >to have problems.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
> >injection :P
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> > >
> > >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's -
> >yes
> > >there is - forced induction :)
> > >Now lets work this out:
> > >
> > >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor
> >wheel
> > >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has
> >almost
> > >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> > >
> > >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact
> > >that
> > >you have half my engine again! :)
> > >
> > >My 15.4 cents
> > >
> > >Hunt
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> > >
> > >
> > >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> > >1g's are cool
> > >1j's are cool
> > >but we got the cubes ;)
> > >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix
> >sweet
> > >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free
>:D
> > >
> > >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> > >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >---
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> > >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
>http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
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>
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>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:09:00 <john shannon>

Thats right hunt but the manual will slow me down and think about it what is the longest time my car as been off the road not long hey eny were from 1 to 5 days,

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:01:23 +1200
>
>Perhaps it's a way of contributing - sort of like "look this is what I did
>and look at the result" - of course often not positive but sometimes.
>
>Yes my car is my daily driver - yes I want it to be a fast straight liner
>but like you say it is very difficult to have both in the same package -
>hence not wanting to turn boost over 9psi - for now.
>
>I have issues with my car running properly - yes - but hey how can you find
>out what the limit of something is without going over it - remembering that
>generally what I have done no-one else has so there is no help or solid
>advice available - when there is I thank you all - even though I often will
>try my own theories first :)
>
>Suze - yes your engine blew - bugger - perhaps you should get a 1G - oh wait
>no no cos at least now when I beat you, you can say "oh it must be because
>he has a 1G" :)
>
>John - yes you do seem to be going through a lot of gearboxes - not really a
>lot you could do about it - go manual? Sure you could but perhaps you'd end
>up going through the same amount of clutches?
>
>Moral of the story is thus - you're grandparents Toyota Camry - is a lot
>more reliable than your supra - you're friends Corolla never breaks down -
>aren't exactly performance cars - how often do you see a F1 car or a V8
>super car go season after season without having anything replaced? Not
>often....
>
>Hunt
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Marc Archbold
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:42 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>Great to hear your workshop is doing well.  What I cant figure is why
>the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive such
>great results with your car; why?  This list group is for contributors,
>not vaunting.
>
>Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners?  The way
>I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single package.
>
>
>Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
>quite some issues with it running properly.  You're not listening.
>Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
>John, How many transmissions will it take?
>
>
>Cordially,
>Marc
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my
>work shop funny that hey.
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
> >
> >Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
>(anyone
> >who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
>traction
> >and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track
>
> >racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
>over
> >that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't
>like
> >the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
>hundreds of
> >hours on to get to the level that it is at.
> >Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera
>
> >owners :)
> >
> >Hunt
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
>
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never
>
> >be able to prove otherwise...
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > > Perhaps the driver?
> > >
> > > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames*  :)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> > > Cully Paterson
> > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >
> > > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
> > > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > > the stock TT
> > > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > > valve, ran
> > > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
> > > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......
>
> > >
> > > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> > > mean something.  In a road car it's just irrelevant!  I
> > > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> > > better 1/4 time than me.  It may as well be random numbers.
> > >
> > > Cully
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
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> >
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>
>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:11:00 <Hunt M>
Ok I was sure that the hose clamp used was a standard squeeze and ease
Toyota one.... clearly mistaken
If it were as new as you say - then yes - odd that it blew off IF the HG
wasn't very blown - had the hose split?
I do recall you saying that whilst you were doing your burn out on the line
you noticed water on your windscreen - odd - if that hose had blown off it
would be pissing out something chronic ALL the way down the track - which is
WAS NOT!

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:06 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

tell you what hunt, i'll bring the hose clamp which was a norma type one to
work tomorra and show you it shall i, i replaced it a year ago when i
repaired the hg the first time :P
so a one year old clamp should hold on fairly well and the fact that we had
to loosen it severly to get it back on so we could start cooling the engine
so we didn't end up with warpage issues ;)
and the hose i blew off was the main feed to the head so i would assume
thats fairly serious :P


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:00:47 +1200
>
>The water only spurted out at the END of the strip!! I should know because
>(hate admitting this) but I was behind you during that race!!!
>And the water all over your engine bay etc was from that water heater hose
>blowing off - sure a BHG will pressurise the cooling system but the hose
>that blew off wasn't held on by the newest or strongest hose clip was it?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:45 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>so the contents of water that was... in my engine being all over the track
>and the engine sounding rather terrible on the way down means my engine was
>sweet? lmao
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:38:29 +1200
> >
> >If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that bad at
> >all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with performance

>@
> >the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before it
>would
> >have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran - only when
> >you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did you
> >start
> >to have problems.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
> >injection :P
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> > >
> > >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's -
> >yes
> > >there is - forced induction :)
> > >Now lets work this out:
> > >
> > >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor
> >wheel
> > >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has
> >almost
> > >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> > >
> > >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact
> > >that
> > >you have half my engine again! :)
> > >
> > >My 15.4 cents
> > >
> > >Hunt
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> > >
> > >
> > >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> > >1g's are cool
> > >1j's are cool
> > >but we got the cubes ;)
> > >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix
> >sweet
> > >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free
>:D
> > >
> > >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> > >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:12:00 <Hunt M>
I have very little time to work on my car - especially of late - a lot of
things to sort out - I would work on my car at night and early hours of
morning but I need daylight..



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From: bounce-34714-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34714-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:09 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better



Thats right hunt but the manual will slow me down and think about it what is
the longest time my car as been off the road not long hey eny were from 1 to
5 days,

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>

>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:01:23 +1200

>

>Perhaps it's a way of contributing - sort of like "look this is what I did

>and look at the result" - of course often not positive but sometimes.

>

>Yes my car is my daily driver - yes I want it to be a fast straight liner

>but like you say it is very difficult to have both in the same package -

>hence not wanting to turn boost over 9psi - for now.

>

>I have issues with my car running properly - yes - but hey how can you find


>out what the limit of something is without going over it - remembering that


>generally what I have done no-one else has so there is no help or solid

>advice available - when there is I thank you all - even though I often will


>try my own theories first :)

>

>Suze - yes your engine blew - bugger - perhaps you should get a 1G - oh
wait

>no no cos at least now when I beat you, you can say "oh it must be because

>he has a 1G" :)

>

>John - yes you do seem to be going through a lot of gearboxes - not really
a

>lot you could do about it - go manual? Sure you could but perhaps you'd end


>up going through the same amount of clutches?

>

>Moral of the story is thus - you're grandparents Toyota Camry - is a lot

>more reliable than your supra - you're friends Corolla never breaks down -

>aren't exactly performance cars - how often do you see a F1 car or a V8

>super car go season after season without having anything replaced? Not

>often....

>

>Hunt

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz

>[mailto:bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Marc Archbold

>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:42 p.m.

>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>

>

>Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why

>the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive such

>great results with your car; why? This list group is for contributors,

>not vaunting.

>

>Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The way

>I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single package.

>

>

>Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have

>quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening.

>Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.

>John, How many transmissions will it take?

>

>

>Cordially,

>Marc

>

>

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz

>[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon

>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.

>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>

>

>Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my

>work shop funny that hey.

>

>

> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>

> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200

> >

> >Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some

>(anyone

> >who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose

>traction

> >and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track

>

> >racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go

>over

> >that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't

>like

> >the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally

>hundreds of

> >hours on to get to the level that it is at.

> >Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera

>

> >owners :)

> >

> >Hunt

> >

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz

> >[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson

>

> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.

> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> >

> >Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never

>

> >be able to prove otherwise...

> >

> >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]

> > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.

> > > To: SCONZ.list Forward

> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> > >

> > > Perhaps the driver?

> > >

> > > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz

> > > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of

> > > Cully Paterson

> > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.

> > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> > >

> > >

> > > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his

> > > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with

> > > the stock TT

> > > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed

> > > valve, ran

> > > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now

> > > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......

>

> > >

> > > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually

> > > mean something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I

> > > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a

> > > better 1/4 time than me. It may as well be random numbers.

> > >

> > > Cully

> > >

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:15:00 <john shannon>

That was about half track i now that becouse you left the water for me to spin out lol

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:10:32 +1200
>
>Ok I was sure that the hose clamp used was a standard squeeze and ease
>Toyota one.... clearly mistaken
>If it were as new as you say - then yes - odd that it blew off IF the HG
>wasn't very blown - had the hose split?
>I do recall you saying that whilst you were doing your burn out on the line
>you noticed water on your windscreen - odd - if that hose had blown off it
>would be pissing out something chronic ALL the way down the track - which is
>WAS NOT!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:06 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>tell you what hunt, i'll bring the hose clamp which was a norma type one to
>work tomorra and show you it shall i, i replaced it a year ago when i
>repaired the hg the first time :P
>so a one year old clamp should hold on fairly well and the fact that we had
>to loosen it severly to get it back on so we could start cooling the engine
>so we didn't end up with warpage issues ;)
>and the hose i blew off was the main feed to the head so i would assume
>thats fairly serious :P
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:00:47 +1200
> >
> >The water only spurted out at the END of the strip!! I should know because
> >(hate admitting this) but I was behind you during that race!!!
> >And the water all over your engine bay etc was from that water heater hose
> >blowing off - sure a BHG will pressurise the cooling system but the hose
> >that blew off wasn't held on by the newest or strongest hose clip was it?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:45 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >so the contents of water that was... in my engine being all over the track
> >and the engine sounding rather terrible on the way down means my engine was
> >sweet? lmao
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:38:29 +1200
> > >
> > >If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that bad at
> > >all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with performance
>
> >@
> > >the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before it
> >would
> > >have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran - only when
> > >you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did you
> > >start
> > >to have problems.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
> > >injection :P
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> > > >
> > > >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's -
> > >yes
> > > >there is - forced induction :)
> > > >Now lets work this out:
> > > >
> > > >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor
> > >wheel
> > > >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has
> > >almost
> > > >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> > > >
> > > >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact
> > > >that
> > > >you have half my engine again! :)
> > > >
> > > >My 15.4 cents
> > > >
> > > >Hunt
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> > > >1g's are cool
> > > >1j's are cool
> > > >but we got the cubes ;)
> > > >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix
> > >sweet
> > > >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free
> >:D
> > > >
> > > >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> > > >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> > > >
> > > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:15:00 <Suze W>
yes there was water on the passengers side of the windscreen when doing a
burnout, while going down the strip i was like yay its stopped raining
the hose wasn't split at the time, and exhaust gasses in the water system
that can't lift a radiator cap off will find the next weakest point that it
can so that happened to be it (bummer tho) lol


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:10:32 +1200
>
>Ok I was sure that the hose clamp used was a standard squeeze and ease
>Toyota one.... clearly mistaken
>If it were as new as you say - then yes - odd that it blew off IF the HG
>wasn't very blown - had the hose split?
>I do recall you saying that whilst you were doing your burn out on the line
>you noticed water on your windscreen - odd - if that hose had blown off it
>would be pissing out something chronic ALL the way down the track - which
>is
>WAS NOT!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:06 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>tell you what hunt, i'll bring the hose clamp which was a norma type one to
>work tomorra and show you it shall i, i replaced it a year ago when i
>repaired the hg the first time :P
>so a one year old clamp should hold on fairly well and the fact that we had
>to loosen it severly to get it back on so we could start cooling the engine
>so we didn't end up with warpage issues ;)
>and the hose i blew off was the main feed to the head so i would assume
>thats fairly serious :P
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:00:47 +1200
> >
> >The water only spurted out at the END of the strip!! I should know
>because
> >(hate admitting this) but I was behind you during that race!!!
> >And the water all over your engine bay etc was from that water heater
>hose
> >blowing off - sure a BHG will pressurise the cooling system but the hose
> >that blew off wasn't held on by the newest or strongest hose clip was it?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:45 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >so the contents of water that was... in my engine being all over the
>track
> >and the engine sounding rather terrible on the way down means my engine
>was
> >sweet? lmao
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:38:29 +1200
> > >
> > >If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that bad
>at
> > >all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with
>performance
>
> >@
> > >the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before it
> >would
> > >have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran - only
>when
> > >you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did you
> > >start
> > >to have problems.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
> > >injection :P
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> > > >
> > > >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's
>-
> > >yes
> > > >there is - forced induction :)
> > > >Now lets work this out:
> > > >
> > > >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor
> > >wheel
> > > >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has
> > >almost
> > > >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> > > >
> > > >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the
>fact
> > > >that
> > > >you have half my engine again! :)
> > > >
> > > >My 15.4 cents
> > > >
> > > >Hunt
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> > > >1g's are cool
> > > >1j's are cool
> > > >but we got the cubes ;)
> > > >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix
> > >sweet
> > > >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home
>free
> >:D
> > > >
> > > >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> > > >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:16:00 <Marc Archbold>

Not the FCD entirely, but Im sure that contributed.

You blew it because you didn't and still don't understand. Nor will you
take advice.
Your website explains it thoroughly and yes a JZ engine will fail when
you don't understand what you're doing. The major detonation shown on
your website is a conclusive example of this.


Cordially,
Marc


-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:52 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


>Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.

oh and why do you think i've done this?
ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it will blow up my car
straight
away
i do believe thats the only thing that the supra club in general believe
was
the wrong way to do things
if you would like me to share i will happily do so,
and if you would like to read previous posts on what i have said about
my
engine you will know why i blew it... oh and you knew this was going to
happen, would you like to enlighten me how you knew? oh and what it was
exactly that blew it?

mods to my almighty and powerful 7m
boost 10psi
3 1/2 in exhaust
filter
550x300x75 intercooler
exhaust ported head to match the manifold
to4e ct26
hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the 7mgte)

my car is my daily driver and drag car :D

there's my big list of mods ;)



>From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200
>
>
>Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why
>the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive such

>great results with your car; why? This list group is for contributors,

>not vaunting.
>
>Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The
>way I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single
>package.
>
>
>Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
>quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening.
>Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
>John, How many transmissions will it take?
>
>
>Cordially,
>Marc
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my

>work shop funny that hey.
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
> >
> >Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
>(anyone
> >who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
>traction
> >and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie -
> >track
>
> >racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
>over
> >that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't
>like
> >the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
>hundreds of
> >hours on to get to the level that it is at.
> >Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about
> >primera
>
> >owners :)
> >
> >Hunt
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> >Paterson
>
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll
> >never
>
> >be able to prove otherwise...
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > > Perhaps the driver?
> > >
> > > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> > > Paterson
> > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >
> > > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his

> > > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > > the stock TT
> > > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > > valve, ran
> > > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now

> > > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than
> > > > before......
>
> > >
> > > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually mean
> > > something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I dyno'd with
> > > 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a better 1/4 time than

> > > me. It may as well be random numbers.
> > >
> > > Cully
> > >
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> > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:18:00 <Hunt M>
Yes but your not listening or hearing what I'm saying!
IF - note IF - that hose had split causing the water on your windscreen I
and others would have seen it pissing out water ALL the way down the track -
there was NONE till the end when the hose ACTUALLY came off - perhaps you
had a leak somewhere else causing the water on the windscreen - water from
the burn out trough - or water from people drooling and quickly turning
their heads as they heard my car doing a burnout?? :)


-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34717-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34717-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:15 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

yes there was water on the passengers side of the windscreen when doing a
burnout, while going down the strip i was like yay its stopped raining
the hose wasn't split at the time, and exhaust gasses in the water system
that can't lift a radiator cap off will find the next weakest point that it
can so that happened to be it (bummer tho) lol


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:10:32 +1200
>
>Ok I was sure that the hose clamp used was a standard squeeze and ease
>Toyota one.... clearly mistaken
>If it were as new as you say - then yes - odd that it blew off IF the HG
>wasn't very blown - had the hose split?
>I do recall you saying that whilst you were doing your burn out on the line
>you noticed water on your windscreen - odd - if that hose had blown off it
>would be pissing out something chronic ALL the way down the track - which
>is
>WAS NOT!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:06 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>tell you what hunt, i'll bring the hose clamp which was a norma type one to
>work tomorra and show you it shall i, i replaced it a year ago when i
>repaired the hg the first time :P
>so a one year old clamp should hold on fairly well and the fact that we had
>to loosen it severly to get it back on so we could start cooling the engine
>so we didn't end up with warpage issues ;)
>and the hose i blew off was the main feed to the head so i would assume
>thats fairly serious :P
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:00:47 +1200
> >
> >The water only spurted out at the END of the strip!! I should know
>because
> >(hate admitting this) but I was behind you during that race!!!
> >And the water all over your engine bay etc was from that water heater
>hose
> >blowing off - sure a BHG will pressurise the cooling system but the hose
> >that blew off wasn't held on by the newest or strongest hose clip was it?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:45 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >so the contents of water that was... in my engine being all over the
>track
> >and the engine sounding rather terrible on the way down means my engine
>was
> >sweet? lmao
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:38:29 +1200
> > >
> > >If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that bad
>at
> > >all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with
>performance
>
> >@
> > >the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before it
> >would
> > >have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran - only
>when
> > >you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did you
> > >start
> > >to have problems.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
> > >injection :P
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> > > >
> > > >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's

>-
> > >yes
> > > >there is - forced induction :)
> > > >Now lets work this out:
> > > >
> > > >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor
> > >wheel
> > > >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has
> > >almost
> > > >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> > > >
> > > >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the
>fact
> > > >that
> > > >you have half my engine again! :)
> > > >
> > > >My 15.4 cents
> > > >
> > > >Hunt
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> > > >1g's are cool
> > > >1j's are cool
> > > >but we got the cubes ;)
> > > >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix
> > >sweet
> > > >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home
>free
> >:D
> > > >
> > > >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> > > >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
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> > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:19:00 <Marc Archbold>

No, the morale of the story is both listen and learn. Naturally you can
choose to think - "stuff it, I know better" or "what do they know."
Take one Camry, give it to someone with out a clue to hot it up, and the
result is the same. It might actually run fine for a couple of runs on
the drag strip....


- Marc


-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34711-25@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34711-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Hunt M
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:01 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


Perhaps it's a way of contributing - sort of like "look this is what I
did and look at the result" - of course often not positive but
sometimes.

Yes my car is my daily driver - yes I want it to be a fast straight
liner but like you say it is very difficult to have both in the same
package - hence not wanting to turn boost over 9psi - for now.

I have issues with my car running properly - yes - but hey how can you
find out what the limit of something is without going over it -
remembering that generally what I have done no-one else has so there is
no help or solid advice available - when there is I thank you all - even
though I often will try my own theories first :)

Suze - yes your engine blew - bugger - perhaps you should get a 1G - oh
wait no no cos at least now when I beat you, you can say "oh it must be
because he has a 1G" :)

John - yes you do seem to be going through a lot of gearboxes - not
really a lot you could do about it - go manual? Sure you could but
perhaps you'd end up going through the same amount of clutches?

Moral of the story is thus - you're grandparents Toyota Camry - is a lot
more reliable than your supra - you're friends Corolla never breaks down
- aren't exactly performance cars - how often do you see a F1 car or a
V8 super car go season after season without having anything replaced?
Not often....

Hunt

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Marc Archbold
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:42 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why
the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive such
great results with your car; why? This list group is for contributors,
not vaunting.

Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The way
I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single package.


Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening. Suze,
you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you. John, How
many transmissions will it take?


Cordially,
Marc




-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my
work shop funny that hey.


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
>
>Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
(anyone
>who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
traction
>and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track

>racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
over
>that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't
like
>the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
hundreds of
>hours on to get to the level that it is at.
>Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera

>owners :)
>
>Hunt
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson

>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never

>be able to prove otherwise...
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> > Perhaps the driver?
> >
> > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> > Cully Paterson
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
> > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > the stock TT
> > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > valve, ran
> > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
> > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......

> >
> > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> > mean something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I
> > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> > better 1/4 time than me. It may as well be random numbers.
> >
> > Cully
> >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:19:00 <Suze W>
what has detonation on a 1jz got to do with my 7m blowing a head gasket? lol


>From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:15:34 +1200
>
>
>Not the FCD entirely, but Im sure that contributed.
>
>You blew it because you didn't and still don't understand. Nor will you
>take advice.
>Your website explains it thoroughly and yes a JZ engine will fail when
>you don't understand what you're doing. The major detonation shown on
>your website is a conclusive example of this.
>
>
>Cordially,
>Marc
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:52 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
>
>oh and why do you think i've done this?
>ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it will blow up my car
>straight
>away
>i do believe thats the only thing that the supra club in general believe
>was
>the wrong way to do things
>if you would like me to share i will happily do so,
>and if you would like to read previous posts on what i have said about
>my
>engine you will know why i blew it... oh and you knew this was going to
>happen, would you like to enlighten me how you knew? oh and what it was
>exactly that blew it?
>
>mods to my almighty and powerful 7m
>boost 10psi
>3 1/2 in exhaust
>filter
>550x300x75 intercooler
>exhaust ported head to match the manifold
>to4e ct26
>hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the 7mgte)
>
>my car is my daily driver and drag car :D
>
>there's my big list of mods ;)
>
>
>
> >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200
> >
> >
> >Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why
> >the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive such
>
> >great results with your car; why? This list group is for contributors,
>
> >not vaunting.
> >
> >Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The
> >way I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single
> >package.
> >
> >
> >Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
> >quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening.
> >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
> >John, How many transmissions will it take?
> >
> >
> >Cordially,
> >Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> >Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my
>
> >work shop funny that hey.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
> > >
> > >Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
> >(anyone
> > >who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
> >traction
> > >and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie -
> > >track
> >
> > >racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
> >over
> > >that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't
> >like
> > >the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
> >hundreds of
> > >hours on to get to the level that it is at.
> > >Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about
> > >primera
> >
> > >owners :)
> > >
> > >Hunt
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> > >Paterson
> >
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll
> > >never
> >
> > >be able to prove otherwise...
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > > > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps the driver?
> > > >
> > > > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> > > > Paterson
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
>
> > > > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > > > the stock TT
> > > > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > > > valve, ran
> > > > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
>
> > > > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than
> > > > > before......
> >
> > > >
> > > > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually mean
> > > > something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I dyno'd with
> > > > 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a better 1/4 time than
>
> > > > me. It may as well be random numbers.
> > > >
> > > > Cully
> > > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:19:00 <Hunt M>
Was not half track - was AFTER half track - I was a little way behind her -
yes I admit - BUT water did not show as spurting out of the back and under
her car until JUST BEFORE the finish!!!

The water you slipped on MUST have been from someone else! Or perhaps you
got some serious "micky walk"



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From: bounce-34718-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34718-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:15 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better



That was about half track i now that becouse you left the water for me to
spin out lol

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>

>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:10:32 +1200

>

>Ok I was sure that the hose clamp used was a standard squeeze and ease

>Toyota one.... clearly mistaken

>If it were as new as you say - then yes - odd that it blew off IF the HG

>wasn't very blown - had the hose split?

>I do recall you saying that whilst you were doing your burn out on the line


>you noticed water on your windscreen - odd - if that hose had blown off it

>would be pissing out something chronic ALL the way down the track - which
is

>WAS NOT!

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz

>[mailto:bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W

>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:06 p.m.

>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>

>tell you what hunt, i'll bring the hose clamp which was a norma type one to


>work tomorra and show you it shall i, i replaced it a year ago when i

>repaired the hg the first time :P

>so a one year old clamp should hold on fairly well and the fact that we had


>to loosen it severly to get it back on so we could start cooling the engine


>so we didn't end up with warpage issues ;)

>and the hose i blew off was the main feed to the head so i would assume

>thats fairly serious :P

>

>

> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>

> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:00:47 +1200

> >

> >The water only spurted out at the END of the strip!! I should know
because

> >(hate admitting this) but I was behind you during that race!!!

> >And the water all over your engine bay etc was from that water heater
hose

> >blowing off - sure a BHG will pressurise the cooling system but the hose

> >that blew off wasn't held on by the newest or strongest hose clip was it?


> >

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From: bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz

> >[mailto:bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W

> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:45 p.m.

> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> >

> >so the contents of water that was... in my engine being all over the
track

> >and the engine sounding rather terrible on the way down means my engine
was

> >sweet? lmao

> >

> >

> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>

> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:38:29 +1200

> > >

> > >If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that bad
at

> > >all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with
performance

>

> >@

> > >the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before it

> >would

> > >have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran - only
when

> > >you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did you

> > >start

> > >to have problems.

> > >

> > >-----Original Message-----

> > >From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz

> > >[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W

> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.

> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> > >

> > >so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water

> > >injection :P

> > >

> > >

> > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>

> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> > > >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200

> > > >

> > > >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's
-

> > >yes

> > > >there is - forced induction :)

> > > >Now lets work this out:

> > > >

> > > >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor

> > >wheel

> > > >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has

> > >almost

> > > >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.

> > > >

> > > >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the
fact

> > > >that

> > > >you have half my engine again! :)

> > > >

> > > >My 15.4 cents

> > > >

> > > >Hunt

> > > >

> > > >----- Original Message -----

> > > >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>

> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> > > >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM

> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it

> > > >1g's are cool

> > > >1j's are cool

> > > >but we got the cubes ;)

> > > >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix

> > >sweet

> > > >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home
free

> >:D

> > > >

> > > >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)

> > > >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:21:00 <Suze W>
lmao
well i will inspect the hose when i find it just to serve both mine and your
curiosity but it lifted the pipe clean off the head so i would assume it was
partly lifted then half down the track as john said it blew completely
;)


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:17:43 +1200
>
>Yes but your not listening or hearing what I'm saying!
>IF - note IF - that hose had split causing the water on your windscreen I
>and others would have seen it pissing out water ALL the way down the track
>-
>there was NONE till the end when the hose ACTUALLY came off - perhaps you
>had a leak somewhere else causing the water on the windscreen - water from
>the burn out trough - or water from people drooling and quickly turning
>their heads as they heard my car doing a burnout?? :)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34717-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34717-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:15 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>yes there was water on the passengers side of the windscreen when doing a
>burnout, while going down the strip i was like yay its stopped raining
>the hose wasn't split at the time, and exhaust gasses in the water system
>that can't lift a radiator cap off will find the next weakest point that it
>can so that happened to be it (bummer tho) lol
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:10:32 +1200
> >
> >Ok I was sure that the hose clamp used was a standard squeeze and ease
> >Toyota one.... clearly mistaken
> >If it were as new as you say - then yes - odd that it blew off IF the HG
> >wasn't very blown - had the hose split?
> >I do recall you saying that whilst you were doing your burn out on the
>line
> >you noticed water on your windscreen - odd - if that hose had blown off
>it
> >would be pissing out something chronic ALL the way down the track - which
> >is
> >WAS NOT!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:06 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >tell you what hunt, i'll bring the hose clamp which was a norma type one
>to
> >work tomorra and show you it shall i, i replaced it a year ago when i
> >repaired the hg the first time :P
> >so a one year old clamp should hold on fairly well and the fact that we
>had
> >to loosen it severly to get it back on so we could start cooling the
>engine
> >so we didn't end up with warpage issues ;)
> >and the hose i blew off was the main feed to the head so i would assume
> >thats fairly serious :P
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:00:47 +1200
> > >
> > >The water only spurted out at the END of the strip!! I should know
> >because
> > >(hate admitting this) but I was behind you during that race!!!
> > >And the water all over your engine bay etc was from that water heater
> >hose
> > >blowing off - sure a BHG will pressurise the cooling system but the
>hose
> > >that blew off wasn't held on by the newest or strongest hose clip was
>it?
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:45 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >so the contents of water that was... in my engine being all over the
> >track
> > >and the engine sounding rather terrible on the way down means my engine
> >was
> > >sweet? lmao
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:38:29 +1200
> > > >
> > > >If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that
>bad
> >at
> > > >all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with
> >performance
> >
> > >@
> > > >the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before it
> > >would
> > > >have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran - only
> >when
> > > >you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did
>you
> > > >start
> > > >to have problems.
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > >[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> > > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
> > > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > >so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
> > > >injection :P
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
><sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> > > > >
> > > > >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for
>cc's
>
> >-
> > > >yes
> > > > >there is - forced induction :)
> > > > >Now lets work this out:
> > > > >
> > > > >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4
>compressor
> > > >wheel
> > > > >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that
>has
> > > >almost
> > > > >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> > > > >
> > > > >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the
> >fact
> > > > >that
> > > > >you have half my engine again! :)
> > > > >
> > > > >My 15.4 cents
> > > > >
> > > > >Hunt
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> > > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> > > > >1g's are cool
> > > > >1j's are cool
> > > > >but we got the cubes ;)
> > > > >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one
>fix
> > > >sweet
> > > > >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home
> >free
> > >:D
> > > > >
> > > > >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> > > > >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:22:00 <Marc Archbold>

This is what I am reffering to:

Never say "1JZ's are Bulletproof"...
http://www.supra.co.nz/john.htm





-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


what has detonation on a 1jz got to do with my 7m blowing a head gasket?
lol


>From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:15:34 +1200
>
>
>Not the FCD entirely, but Im sure that contributed.
>
>You blew it because you didn't and still don't understand. Nor will
>you take advice. Your website explains it thoroughly and yes a JZ
>engine will fail when you don't understand what you're doing. The
>major detonation shown on your website is a conclusive example of this.
>
>
>Cordially,
>Marc
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:52 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
>
>oh and why do you think i've done this?
>ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it will blow up my car
>straight away
>i do believe thats the only thing that the supra club in general
believe
>was
>the wrong way to do things
>if you would like me to share i will happily do so,
>and if you would like to read previous posts on what i have said about
>my
>engine you will know why i blew it... oh and you knew this was going to
>happen, would you like to enlighten me how you knew? oh and what it was
>exactly that blew it?
>
>mods to my almighty and powerful 7m
>boost 10psi
>3 1/2 in exhaust
>filter
>550x300x75 intercooler
>exhaust ported head to match the manifold
>to4e ct26
>hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the 7mgte)
>
>my car is my daily driver and drag car :D
>
>there's my big list of mods ;)
>
>
>
> >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200
> >
> >
> >Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why

> >the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive
> >such
>
> >great results with your car; why? This list group is for
> >contributors,
>
> >not vaunting.
> >
> >Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The
> >way I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single
> >package.
> >
> >
> >Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
> >quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening.
> >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
> >John, How many transmissions will it take?
> >
> >
> >Cordially,
> >Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> >Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from
> >my
>
> >work shop funny that hey.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > ><sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
> > >
> > >Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
> >(anyone
> > >who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
> >traction
> > >and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie -
> > >track
> >
> > >racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
> >over
> > >that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just
> > >don't
> >like
> > >the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
> >hundreds of
> > >hours on to get to the level that it is at.
> > >Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about
> > >primera
> >
> > >owners :)
> > >
> > >Hunt
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> > >Paterson
> >
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll
> > >never
> >
> > >be able to prove otherwise...
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > > > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps the driver?
> > > >
> > > > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> > > > Paterson
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with
> > > > > his
>
> > > > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > > > the stock TT
> > > > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > > > valve, ran
> > > > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day -
> > > > > now
>
> > > > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than
> > > > > before......
> >
> > > >
> > > > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually mean
> > > > something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I dyno'd with
> > > > 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a better 1/4 time
> > > > than
>
> > > > me. It may as well be random numbers.
> > > >
> > > > Cully
> > > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:24:00 <Hunt M>
OK I am in NO WAY defending Suze and her decisions - don't get me wrong -
all I am saying is in regards to my issues is that so many things that I
have done - yes they have gone wrong - and perhaps I should have listened to
SCONZ before doing them BUT there have been many things that have gone right
as well and I've very proud of that.
There is not always one way to do things correctly....

Hunt


-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34722-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34722-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Marc Archbold
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


No, the morale of the story is both listen and learn. Naturally you can
choose to think - "stuff it, I know better" or "what do they know."
Take one Camry, give it to someone with out a clue to hot it up, and the
result is the same. It might actually run fine for a couple of runs on
the drag strip....


- Marc


-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34711-25@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34711-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Hunt M
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:01 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


Perhaps it's a way of contributing - sort of like "look this is what I
did and look at the result" - of course often not positive but
sometimes.

Yes my car is my daily driver - yes I want it to be a fast straight
liner but like you say it is very difficult to have both in the same
package - hence not wanting to turn boost over 9psi - for now.

I have issues with my car running properly - yes - but hey how can you
find out what the limit of something is without going over it -
remembering that generally what I have done no-one else has so there is
no help or solid advice available - when there is I thank you all - even
though I often will try my own theories first :)

Suze - yes your engine blew - bugger - perhaps you should get a 1G - oh
wait no no cos at least now when I beat you, you can say "oh it must be
because he has a 1G" :)

John - yes you do seem to be going through a lot of gearboxes - not
really a lot you could do about it - go manual? Sure you could but
perhaps you'd end up going through the same amount of clutches?

Moral of the story is thus - you're grandparents Toyota Camry - is a lot
more reliable than your supra - you're friends Corolla never breaks down
- aren't exactly performance cars - how often do you see a F1 car or a
V8 super car go season after season without having anything replaced?
Not often....

Hunt

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Marc Archbold
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:42 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why
the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive such
great results with your car; why? This list group is for contributors,
not vaunting.

Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The way
I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single package.


Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening. Suze,
you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you. John, How
many transmissions will it take?


Cordially,
Marc




-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better


Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my
work shop funny that hey.


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
>
>Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
(anyone
>who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
traction
>and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track

>racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
over
>that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't
like
>the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
hundreds of
>hours on to get to the level that it is at.
>Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera

>owners :)
>
>Hunt
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson

>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never

>be able to prove otherwise...
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> > Perhaps the driver?
> >
> > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> > Cully Paterson
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
> > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > the stock TT
> > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > valve, ran
> > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
> > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......

> >
> > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> > mean something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I
> > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> > better 1/4 time than me. It may as well be random numbers.
> >
> > Cully
> >
> > ---
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> > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
> >
> > ---
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> >
>
>---
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>
>
>---
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:25:00 <Suze W>
admittedly yes a low pressure fuel pump can cause this :P

well i gotta go for tonite anywayz, nice arguing with you all, hope to do it
again soon :D

thanx for your inputs and arguments ;)

Cheers

Suze


>From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:22:10 +1200
>
>
>This is what I am reffering to:
>
>Never say "1JZ's are Bulletproof"...
>http://www.supra.co.nz/john.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>what has detonation on a 1jz got to do with my 7m blowing a head gasket?
>lol
>
>
> >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:15:34 +1200
> >
> >
> >Not the FCD entirely, but Im sure that contributed.
> >
> >You blew it because you didn't and still don't understand. Nor will
> >you take advice. Your website explains it thoroughly and yes a JZ
> >engine will fail when you don't understand what you're doing. The
> >major detonation shown on your website is a conclusive example of this.
> >
> >
> >Cordially,
> >Marc
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:52 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
> >
> >oh and why do you think i've done this?
> >ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it will blow up my car
> >straight away
> >i do believe thats the only thing that the supra club in general
>believe
> >was
> >the wrong way to do things
> >if you would like me to share i will happily do so,
> >and if you would like to read previous posts on what i have said about
> >my
> >engine you will know why i blew it... oh and you knew this was going to
> >happen, would you like to enlighten me how you knew? oh and what it was
> >exactly that blew it?
> >
> >mods to my almighty and powerful 7m
> >boost 10psi
> >3 1/2 in exhaust
> >filter
> >550x300x75 intercooler
> >exhaust ported head to match the manifold
> >to4e ct26
> >hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the 7mgte)
> >
> >my car is my daily driver and drag car :D
> >
> >there's my big list of mods ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200
> > >
> > >
> > >Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why
>
> > >the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive
> > >such
> >
> > >great results with your car; why? This list group is for
> > >contributors,
> >
> > >not vaunting.
> > >
> > >Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The
> > >way I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single
> > >package.
> > >
> > >
> > >Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
> > >quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening.
> > >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
> > >John, How many transmissions will it take?
> > >
> > >
> > >Cordially,
> > >Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >
> > >Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from
> > >my
> >
> > >work shop funny that hey.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > > ><sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
> > > >
> > > >Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
> > >(anyone
> > > >who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
> > >traction
> > > >and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie -
> > > >track
> > >
> > > >racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
> > >over
> > > >that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just
> > > >don't
> > >like
> > > >the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
> > >hundreds of
> > > >hours on to get to the level that it is at.
> > > >Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about
> > > >primera
> > >
> > > >owners :)
> > > >
> > > >Hunt
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > >[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> > > >Paterson
> > >
> > > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
> > > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > >Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll
> > > >never
> > >
> > > >be able to prove otherwise...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > > > > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps the driver?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > > > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> > > > > Paterson
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > > > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with
> > > > > > his
> >
> > > > > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > > > > the stock TT
> > > > > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > > > > valve, ran
> > > > > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day -
> > > > > > now
> >
> > > > > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than
> > > > > > before......
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually mean
> > > > > something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I dyno'd with
> > > > > 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a better 1/4 time
> > > > > than
> >
> > > > > me. It may as well be random numbers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cully
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:25:00 <Suze W>
good on ya hunt i agree completely :)


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:23:50 +1200
>
>OK I am in NO WAY defending Suze and her decisions - don't get me wrong -
>all I am saying is in regards to my issues is that so many things that I
>have done - yes they have gone wrong - and perhaps I should have listened
>to
>SCONZ before doing them BUT there have been many things that have gone
>right
>as well and I've very proud of that.
>There is not always one way to do things correctly....
>
>Hunt
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34722-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34722-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Marc Archbold
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>No, the morale of the story is both listen and learn. Naturally you can
>choose to think - "stuff it, I know better" or "what do they know."
>Take one Camry, give it to someone with out a clue to hot it up, and the
>result is the same. It might actually run fine for a couple of runs on
>the drag strip....
>
>
>- Marc
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34711-25@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34711-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Hunt M
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:01 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>Perhaps it's a way of contributing - sort of like "look this is what I
>did and look at the result" - of course often not positive but
>sometimes.
>
>Yes my car is my daily driver - yes I want it to be a fast straight
>liner but like you say it is very difficult to have both in the same
>package - hence not wanting to turn boost over 9psi - for now.
>
>I have issues with my car running properly - yes - but hey how can you
>find out what the limit of something is without going over it -
>remembering that generally what I have done no-one else has so there is
>no help or solid advice available - when there is I thank you all - even
>though I often will try my own theories first :)
>
>Suze - yes your engine blew - bugger - perhaps you should get a 1G - oh
>wait no no cos at least now when I beat you, you can say "oh it must be
>because he has a 1G" :)
>
>John - yes you do seem to be going through a lot of gearboxes - not
>really a lot you could do about it - go manual? Sure you could but
>perhaps you'd end up going through the same amount of clutches?
>
>Moral of the story is thus - you're grandparents Toyota Camry - is a lot
>more reliable than your supra - you're friends Corolla never breaks down
>- aren't exactly performance cars - how often do you see a F1 car or a
>V8 super car go season after season without having anything replaced?
>Not often....
>
>Hunt
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Marc Archbold
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:42 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why
>the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive such
>great results with your car; why? This list group is for contributors,
>not vaunting.
>
>Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The way
>I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single package.
>
>
>Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
>quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening. Suze,
>you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you. John, How
>many transmissions will it take?
>
>
>Cordially,
>Marc
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from my
>work shop funny that hey.
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
> >
> >Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
>(anyone
> >who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
>traction
> >and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie - track
>
> >racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
>over
> >that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just don't
>like
> >the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
>hundreds of
> >hours on to get to the level that it is at.
> >Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about primera
>
> >owners :)
> >
> >Hunt
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
>
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll never
>
> >be able to prove otherwise...
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > > Perhaps the driver?
> > >
> > > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> > > Cully Paterson
> > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >
> > > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with his
> > > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > > the stock TT
> > > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > > valve, ran
> > > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day - now
> > > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than before......
>
> > >
> > > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> > > mean something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I
> > > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> > > better 1/4 time than me. It may as well be random numbers.
> > >
> > > Cully
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website
> > > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website
> > > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > >
> >
> >---
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> >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
>http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
> >
> >---
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> >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
>http://www.turbo.co.nz
>
>
>
>Watch movie trailers online with the Xtra Broadband Channel ! ---
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>http://www.turbo.co.nz
>
>
>---
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>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:26:00 <john shannon>

that is true that is why you never give me your 1jz to drive

>From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:22:10 +1200
>
>
>This is what I am reffering to:
>
>Never say "1JZ's are Bulletproof"...
>http://www.supra.co.nz/john.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>what has detonation on a 1jz got to do with my 7m blowing a head gasket?
>lol
>
>
> >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:15:34 +1200
> >
> >
> >Not the FCD entirely, but Im sure that contributed.
> >
> >You blew it because you didn't and still don't understand.  Nor will
> >you take advice. Your website explains it thoroughly and yes a JZ
> >engine will fail when you don't understand what you're doing.  The
> >major detonation shown on your website is a conclusive example of this.
> >
> >
> >Cordially,
> >Marc
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:52 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> > >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
> >
> >oh and why do you think i've done this?
> >ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it will blow up my car
> >straight away
> >i do believe thats the only thing that the supra club in general
>believe
> >was
> >the wrong way to do things
> >if you would like me to share i will happily do so,
> >and if you would like to read previous posts on what i have said about
> >my
> >engine you will know why i blew it... oh and you knew this was going to
> >happen, would you like to enlighten me how you knew? oh and what it was
> >exactly that blew it?
> >
> >mods to my almighty and powerful 7m
> >boost 10psi
> >3 1/2 in exhaust
> >filter
> >550x300x75 intercooler
> >exhaust ported head to match the manifold
> >to4e ct26
> >hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the 7mgte)
> >
> >my car is my daily driver and drag car :D
> >
> >there's my big list of mods ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200
> > >
> > >
> > >Great to hear your workshop is doing well.  What I cant figure is why
>
> > >the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive
> > >such
> >
> > >great results with your car; why?  This list group is for
> > >contributors,
> >
> > >not vaunting.
> > >
> > >Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners?  The
> > >way I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single
> > >package.
> > >
> > >
> > >Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
> > >quite some issues with it running properly.  You're not listening.
> > >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
> > >John, How many transmissions will it take?
> > >
> > >
> > >Cordially,
> > >Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >
> > >Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from
> > >my
> >
> > >work shop funny that hey.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > > ><sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
> > > >
> > > >Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
> > >(anyone
> > > >who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
> > >traction
> > > >and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie -
> > > >track
> > >
> > > >racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
> > >over
> > > >that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just
> > > >don't
> > >like
> > > >the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
> > >hundreds of
> > > >hours on to get to the level that it is at.
> > > >Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about
> > > >primera
> > >
> > > >owners :)
> > > >
> > > >Hunt
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > >[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> > > >Paterson
> > >
> > > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
> > > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > >Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll
> > > >never
> > >
> > > >be able to prove otherwise...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > > > > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps the driver?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames*  :)
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > > > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> > > > > Paterson
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > > > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with
> > > > > > his
> >
> > > > > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > > > > the stock TT
> > > > > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > > > > valve, ran
> > > > > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day -
> > > > > > now
> >
> > > > > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than
> > > > > > before......
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually mean
> > > > > something.  In a road car it's just irrelevant!  I dyno'd with
> > > > > 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a better 1/4 time
> > > > > than
> >
> > > > > me.  It may as well be random numbers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cully
> > > > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:28:00 <Hunt M>
OK listen up ya'll

IF the hose had blown off before the end of the track I would have seen it
as I was behind you and closer than anyone else!!
NOW - IF the hose had blown at the line when doing your burnout like you say
it would have pissed water out all the way down - not dropped a little
trickle here - little trickle there - but fully unloaded like Dick Tracey.
Perhaps there was another pipe/hose split somewhere....

-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-34724-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34724-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:21 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

lmao
well i will inspect the hose when i find it just to serve both mine and your

curiosity but it lifted the pipe clean off the head so i would assume it was

partly lifted then half down the track as john said it blew completely
;)


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:17:43 +1200
>
>Yes but your not listening or hearing what I'm saying!
>IF - note IF - that hose had split causing the water on your windscreen I
>and others would have seen it pissing out water ALL the way down the track
>-
>there was NONE till the end when the hose ACTUALLY came off - perhaps you
>had a leak somewhere else causing the water on the windscreen - water from
>the burn out trough - or water from people drooling and quickly turning
>their heads as they heard my car doing a burnout?? :)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34717-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34717-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:15 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>yes there was water on the passengers side of the windscreen when doing a
>burnout, while going down the strip i was like yay its stopped raining
>the hose wasn't split at the time, and exhaust gasses in the water system
>that can't lift a radiator cap off will find the next weakest point that it
>can so that happened to be it (bummer tho) lol
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:10:32 +1200
> >
> >Ok I was sure that the hose clamp used was a standard squeeze and ease
> >Toyota one.... clearly mistaken
> >If it were as new as you say - then yes - odd that it blew off IF the HG
> >wasn't very blown - had the hose split?
> >I do recall you saying that whilst you were doing your burn out on the
>line
> >you noticed water on your windscreen - odd - if that hose had blown off
>it
> >would be pissing out something chronic ALL the way down the track - which
> >is
> >WAS NOT!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:06 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >tell you what hunt, i'll bring the hose clamp which was a norma type one
>to
> >work tomorra and show you it shall i, i replaced it a year ago when i
> >repaired the hg the first time :P
> >so a one year old clamp should hold on fairly well and the fact that we
>had
> >to loosen it severly to get it back on so we could start cooling the
>engine
> >so we didn't end up with warpage issues ;)
> >and the hose i blew off was the main feed to the head so i would assume
> >thats fairly serious :P
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:00:47 +1200
> > >
> > >The water only spurted out at the END of the strip!! I should know
> >because
> > >(hate admitting this) but I was behind you during that race!!!
> > >And the water all over your engine bay etc was from that water heater
> >hose
> > >blowing off - sure a BHG will pressurise the cooling system but the
>hose
> > >that blew off wasn't held on by the newest or strongest hose clip was
>it?
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:45 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >so the contents of water that was... in my engine being all over the
> >track
> > >and the engine sounding rather terrible on the way down means my engine
> >was
> > >sweet? lmao
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:38:29 +1200
> > > >
> > > >If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that
>bad
> >at
> > > >all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with
> >performance
> >
> > >@
> > > >the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before it
> > >would
> > > >have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran - only
> >when
> > > >you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did
>you
> > > >start
> > > >to have problems.
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > >[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> > > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
> > > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > >so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
> > > >injection :P
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
><sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> > > > >
> > > > >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for
>cc's
>
> >-
> > > >yes
> > > > >there is - forced induction :)
> > > > >Now lets work this out:
> > > > >
> > > > >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4
>compressor
> > > >wheel
> > > > >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that
>has
> > > >almost
> > > > >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> > > > >
> > > > >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the
> >fact
> > > > >that
> > > > >you have half my engine again! :)
> > > > >
> > > > >My 15.4 cents
> > > > >
> > > > >Hunt
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> > > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> > > > >1g's are cool
> > > > >1j's are cool
> > > > >but we got the cubes ;)
> > > > >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one
>fix
> > > >sweet
> > > > >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home
> >free
> > >:D
> > > > >
> > > > >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> > > > >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > >http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > > >
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> > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:31:00 <Hunt M>




_____

From: bounce-34729-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34729-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:26 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better



that is true that is why you never give me your 1jz to drive

>From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>

>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:22:10 +1200

>

>

>This is what I am reffering to:

>

>Never say "1JZ's are Bulletproof"...

>http://www.supra.co.nz/john.htm

>

>

>

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz

>[mailto:bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W

>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.

>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>

>

>what has detonation on a 1jz got to do with my 7m blowing a head gasket?

>lol

>

>

> >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>

> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:15:34 +1200

> >

> >

> >Not the FCD entirely, but Im sure that contributed.

> >

> >You blew it because you didn't and still don't understand. Nor will

> >you take advice. Your website explains it thoroughly and yes a JZ

> >engine will fail when you don't understand what you're doing. The

> >major detonation shown on your website is a conclusive example of this.

> >

> >

> >Cordially,

> >Marc

> >

> >

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From: bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz

> >[mailto:bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W

> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:52 p.m.

> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> >

> >

> > >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.

> >

> >oh and why do you think i've done this?

> >ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it will blow up my car

> >straight away

> >i do believe thats the only thing that the supra club in general

>believe

> >was

> >the wrong way to do things

> >if you would like me to share i will happily do so,

> >and if you would like to read previous posts on what i have said about

> >my

> >engine you will know why i blew it... oh and you knew this was going to

> >happen, would you like to enlighten me how you knew? oh and what it was

> >exactly that blew it?

> >

> >mods to my almighty and powerful 7m

> >boost 10psi

> >3 1/2 in exhaust

> >filter

> >550x300x75 intercooler

> >exhaust ported head to match the manifold

> >to4e ct26

> >hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the 7mgte)

> >

> >my car is my daily driver and drag car :D

> >

> >there's my big list of mods ;)

> >

> >

> >

> > >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>

> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200

> > >

> > >

> > >Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why

>

> > >the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive

> > >such

> >

> > >great results with your car; why? This list group is for

> > >contributors,

> >

> > >not vaunting.

> > >

> > >Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The

> > >way I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single

> > >package.

> > >

> > >

> > >Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have

> > >quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening.

> > >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.

> > >John, How many transmissions will it take?

> > >

> > >

> > >Cordially,

> > >Marc


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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:35:00 <john shannon>

What you trying to say Hunt talk

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:30:28 +1200
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>From: bounce-34729-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34729-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:26 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>
>that is true that is why you never give me your 1jz to drive
>
> >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:22:10 +1200
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >This is what I am reffering to:
>
> >
>
> >Never say "1JZ's are Bulletproof"...
>
> >http://www.supra.co.nz/john.htm
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >-----Original Message-----
>
> >From: bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz
>
> >[mailto:bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.
>
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >what has detonation on a 1jz got to do with my 7m blowing a head gasket?
>
> >lol
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:15:34 +1200
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >Not the FCD entirely, but Im sure that contributed.
>
> > >
>
> > >You blew it because you didn't and still don't understand.  Nor will
>
> > >you take advice. Your website explains it thoroughly and yes a JZ
>
> > >engine will fail when you don't understand what you're doing.  The
>
> > >major detonation shown on your website is a conclusive example of this.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >Cordially,
>
> > >Marc
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >-----Original Message-----
>
> > >From: bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz
>
> > >[mailto:bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:52 p.m.
>
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
>
> > >
>
> > >oh and why do you think i've done this?
>
> > >ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it will blow up my car
>
> > >straight away
>
> > >i do believe thats the only thing that the supra club in general
>
> >believe
>
> > >was
>
> > >the wrong way to do things
>
> > >if you would like me to share i will happily do so,
>
> > >and if you would like to read previous posts on what i have said about
>
> > >my
>
> > >engine you will know why i blew it... oh and you knew this was going to
>
> > >happen, would you like to enlighten me how you knew? oh and what it was
>
> > >exactly that blew it?
>
> > >
>
> > >mods to my almighty and powerful 7m
>
> > >boost 10psi
>
> > >3 1/2 in exhaust
>
> > >filter
>
> > >550x300x75 intercooler
>
> > >exhaust ported head to match the manifold
>
> > >to4e ct26
>
> > >hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the 7mgte)
>
> > >
>
> > >my car is my daily driver and drag car :D
>
> > >
>
> > >there's my big list of mods ;)
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >Great to hear your workshop is doing well.  What I cant figure is why
>
> >
>
> > > >the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive
>
> > > >such
>
> > >
>
> > > >great results with your car; why?  This list group is for
>
> > > >contributors,
>
> > >
>
> > > >not vaunting.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners?  The
>
> > > >way I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single
>
> > > >package.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
>
> > > >quite some issues with it running properly.  You're not listening.
>
> > > >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
>
> > > >John, How many transmissions will it take?
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >Cordially,
>
> > > >Marc
>
>
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>Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz


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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 21:48:00 <Hunt M>
Yes - why will you not give me yours to drive then John :-(



_____

From: bounce-34734-72@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-34734-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:35 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better



What you trying to say Hunt talk

>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>

>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:30:28 +1200

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>From: bounce-34729-72@list.supras.org.nz

>[mailto:bounce-34729-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon

>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:26 p.m.

>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List

>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>

>

>

>that is true that is why you never give me your 1jz to drive

>

> >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>

>

> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>

> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>

>

> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better

>

> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:22:10 +1200

>

> >

>

> >


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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-24 23:53:00 <Suze W>
ok i will repeat
i will inspect the hoses just to serve both yours and my curiosity :P


>From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:27:41 +1200
>
>OK listen up ya'll
>
>IF the hose had blown off before the end of the track I would have seen it
>as I was behind you and closer than anyone else!!
>NOW - IF the hose had blown at the line when doing your burnout like you
>say
>it would have pissed water out all the way down - not dropped a little
>trickle here - little trickle there - but fully unloaded like Dick Tracey.
>Perhaps there was another pipe/hose split somewhere....
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bounce-34724-72@list.supras.org.nz
>[mailto:bounce-34724-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
>Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:21 p.m.
>To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>lmao
>well i will inspect the hose when i find it just to serve both mine and
>your
>
>curiosity but it lifted the pipe clean off the head so i would assume it
>was
>
>partly lifted then half down the track as john said it blew completely
>;)
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:17:43 +1200
> >
> >Yes but your not listening or hearing what I'm saying!
> >IF - note IF - that hose had split causing the water on your windscreen I
> >and others would have seen it pissing out water ALL the way down the
>track
> >-
> >there was NONE till the end when the hose ACTUALLY came off - perhaps you
> >had a leak somewhere else causing the water on the windscreen - water
>from
> >the burn out trough - or water from people drooling and quickly turning
> >their heads as they heard my car doing a burnout?? :)
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34717-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34717-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:15 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >yes there was water on the passengers side of the windscreen when doing a
> >burnout, while going down the strip i was like yay its stopped raining
> >the hose wasn't split at the time, and exhaust gasses in the water system
> >that can't lift a radiator cap off will find the next weakest point that
>it
> >can so that happened to be it (bummer tho) lol
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:10:32 +1200
> > >
> > >Ok I was sure that the hose clamp used was a standard squeeze and ease
> > >Toyota one.... clearly mistaken
> > >If it were as new as you say - then yes - odd that it blew off IF the
>HG
> > >wasn't very blown - had the hose split?
> > >I do recall you saying that whilst you were doing your burn out on the
> >line
> > >you noticed water on your windscreen - odd - if that hose had blown off
> >it
> > >would be pissing out something chronic ALL the way down the track -
>which
> > >is
> > >WAS NOT!
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34713-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:06 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >tell you what hunt, i'll bring the hose clamp which was a norma type
>one
> >to
> > >work tomorra and show you it shall i, i replaced it a year ago when i
> > >repaired the hg the first time :P
> > >so a one year old clamp should hold on fairly well and the fact that we
> >had
> > >to loosen it severly to get it back on so we could start cooling the
> >engine
> > >so we didn't end up with warpage issues ;)
> > >and the hose i blew off was the main feed to the head so i would assume
> > >thats fairly serious :P
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:00:47 +1200
> > > >
> > > >The water only spurted out at the END of the strip!! I should know
> > >because
> > > >(hate admitting this) but I was behind you during that race!!!
> > > >And the water all over your engine bay etc was from that water heater
> > >hose
> > > >blowing off - sure a BHG will pressurise the cooling system but the
> >hose
> > > >that blew off wasn't held on by the newest or strongest hose clip was
> >it?
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > >[mailto:bounce-34702-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> > > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:45 p.m.
> > > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > >so the contents of water that was... in my engine being all over the
> > >track
> > > >and the engine sounding rather terrible on the way down means my
>engine
> > >was
> > > >sweet? lmao
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
><sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:38:29 +1200
> > > > >
> > > > >If you were running only 10psi like you say then a 13.9 isn't that
> >bad
> > >at
> > > > >all - I VERY VERY much doubt your BHG had ANYTHING to do with
> > >performance
> > >
> > > >@
> > > > >the time of the 13.9 - IF it had blown on that run or runs before
>it
> > > >would
> > > > >have been very minor and not enough to affect how the car ran -
>only
> > >when
> > > > >you brought it back into pits or right at the end of the strip did
> >you
> > > > >start
> > > > >to have problems.
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > > >[mailto:bounce-34688-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:25 p.m.
> > > > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > >
> > > > >so how come i got 13.9 on a bhg??? or was that due to extreme water
> > > > >injection :P
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> ><sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > > >Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:37 +1200
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for
> >cc's
> >
> > >-
> > > > >yes
> > > > > >there is - forced induction :)
> > > > > >Now lets work this out:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4
> >compressor
> > > > >wheel
> > > > > >14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that
> >has
> > > > >almost
> > > > > >exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe
>the
> > >fact
> > > > > >that
> > > > > >you have half my engine again! :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >My 15.4 cents
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Hunt
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > > >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> > > > > >1g's are cool
> > > > > >1j's are cool
> > > > > >but we got the cubes ;)
> > > > > >and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one
> >fix
> > > > >sweet
> > > > > >as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home
> > >free
> > > >:D
> > > > > >
> > > > > >instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> > > > > >need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 08:58:00 <Marc Archbold>

There you go, blame the fuel pump...


> admittedly yes a low pressure fuel pump can cause this :P
>
> well i gotta go for tonite anywayz, nice arguing with you all, hope to
> do it
> again soon :D
>
> thanx for your inputs and arguments ;)
>
> Cheers
>
> Suze
>
>
> >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:22:10 +1200
> >
> >
> >This is what I am reffering to:
> >
> >Never say "1JZ's are Bulletproof"...
> >http://www.supra.co.nz/john.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34721-25@list.supras .org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> >what has detonation on a 1jz got to do with my 7m blowing a head
> gasket?
> >lol
> >
> >
> > >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:15:34 +1200
> > >
> > >
> > >Not the FCD entirely, but Im sure that contributed.
> > >
> > >You blew it because you didn't and still don't understand. Nor will
> > >you take advice. Your website explains it thoroughly and yes a JZ
> > >engine will fail when you don't understand what you're doing. The
> > >major detonation shown on your website is a conclusive example of
> this.
> > >
> > >
> > >Cordially,
> > >Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Suze W
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:52 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >
> > > >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
> > >
> > >oh and why do you think i've done this?
> > >ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it will blow up my car
> > >straight away
> > >i do believe thats the only thing that the supra club in general
> >believe
> > >was
> > >the wrong way to do things
> > >if you would like me to share i will happily do so,
> > >and if you would like to read previous posts on what i have said
> about
> > >my
> > >engine you will know why i blew it... oh and you knew this was going
> to
> > >happen, would you like to enlighten me how you knew? oh and what it
> was
> > >exactly that blew it?
> > >
> > >mods to my almighty and powerful 7m
> > >boost 10psi
> > >3 1/2 in exhaust
> > >filter
> > >550x300x75 intercooler
> > >exhaust ported head to match the manifold
> > >to4e ct26
> > >hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the 7mgte)
> > >
> > >my car is my daily driver and drag car :D
> > >
> > >there's my big list of mods ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is
> why
> >
> > > >the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive
> > > >such
> > >
> > > >great results with your car; why? This list group is for
> > > >contributors,
> > >
> > > >not vaunting.
> > > >
> > > >Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners?
> The
> > > >way I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a
> single
> > > >package.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you
> have
> > > >quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening.
> > > >Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you.
> > > >John, How many transmissions will it take?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Cordially,
> > > >Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
> > > >[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john
> shannon
> > > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
> > > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are
> from
> > > >my
> > >
> > > >work shop funny that hey.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > > > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > > > ><sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
> > > > >
> > > > >Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then
> some
> > > >(anyone
> > > > >who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only
> loose
> > > >traction
> > > > >and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie
> -
> > > > >track
> > > >
> > > > >racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to
> go
> > > >over
> > > > >that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just
> > > > >don't
> > > >like
> > > > >the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
> > > >hundreds of
> > > > >hours on to get to the level that it is at.
> > > > >Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about
> > > > >primera
> > > >
> > > > >owners :)
> > > > >
> > > > >Hunt
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > > >[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> > > > >Paterson
> > > >
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
> > > > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > >
> > > > >Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess
> I'll
> > > > >never
> > > >
> > > > >be able to prove otherwise...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > > > > > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps the driver?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > > > > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> Cully
> > > > > > Paterson
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > > > > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi
> with
> > > > > > > his
> > >
> > > > > > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > > > > > the stock TT
> > > > > > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > > > > > valve, ran
> > > > > > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day
> -
> > > > > > > now
> > >
> > > > > > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than
> > > > > > > before......
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> mean
> > > > > > something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I dyno'd with
> > > > > > 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a better 1/4 time
> > > > > > than
> > >
> > > > > > me. It may as well be random numbers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cully
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---
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> > > > > > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > > ---
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> > > > > > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> > > > > > http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> > > >http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >---
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> >
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> >
> >
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>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 09:01:00 <Marc Archbold>


Absolutley there is more than one may, but when the end result is failure that
is arguably the 'correct way.'

Hey they are your cars, you're free to do what ever you please. Adopting that
attitude and ignoring advice wont get you far.




> good on ya hunt i agree completely :)
>
>
> >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:23:50 +1200
> >
> >OK I am in NO WAY defending Suze and her decisions - don't get me wrong
> -
> >all I am saying is in regards to my issues is that so many things that
> I
> >have done - yes they have gone wrong - and perhaps I should have
> listened
> >to
> >SCONZ before doing them BUT there have been many things that have gone
>
> >right
> >as well and I've very proud of that.
> >There is not always one way to do things correctly....
> >
> >Hunt
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34722-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34722-72@list.supras .org.nz] On Behalf Of Marc
> Archbold
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> >No, the morale of the story is both listen and learn. Naturally you
> can
> >choose to think - "stuff it, I know better" or "what do they know."
> >Take one Camry, give it to someone with out a clue to hot it up, and
> the
> >result is the same. It might actually run fine for a couple of runs on
> >the drag strip....
> >
> >
> >- Marc
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34711-25@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34711-25@list.supras .org.nz] On Behalf Of Hunt M
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:01 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> >Perhaps it's a way of contributing - sort of like "look this is what I
> >did and look at the result" - of course often not positive but
> >sometimes.
> >
> >Yes my car is my daily driver - yes I want it to be a fast straight
> >liner but like you say it is very difficult to have both in the same
> >package - hence not wanting to turn boost over 9psi - for now.
> >
> >I have issues with my car running properly - yes - but hey how can you
> >find out what the limit of something is without going over it -
> >remembering that generally what I have done no-one else has so there
> is
> >no help or solid advice available - when there is I thank you all -
> even
> >though I often will try my own theories first :)
> >
> >Suze - yes your engine blew - bugger - perhaps you should get a 1G -
> oh
> >wait no no cos at least now when I beat you, you can say "oh it must
> be
> >because he has a 1G" :)
> >
> >John - yes you do seem to be going through a lot of gearboxes - not
> >really a lot you could do about it - go manual? Sure you could but
> >perhaps you'd end up going through the same amount of clutches?
> >
> >Moral of the story is thus - you're grandparents Toyota Camry - is a
> lot
> >more reliable than your supra - you're friends Corolla never breaks
> down
> >- aren't exactly performance cars - how often do you see a F1 car or a
> >V8 super car go season after season without having anything replaced?
> >Not often....
> >
> >Hunt
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34698-72@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34698-72@list.supras .org.nz] On Behalf Of Marc
> Archbold
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:42 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> >Great to hear your workshop is doing well. What I cant figure is why
> >the reluctancy in detailing what you have actually done to acheive
> such
> >great results with your car; why? This list group is for contributors,
> >not vaunting.
> >
> >Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast straight liners? The
> way
> >I understand it is that it's difficult to have both in a single
> package.
> >
> >
> >Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but sounds like you have
> >quite some issues with it running properly. You're not listening.
> Suze,
> >you've stuffed an engine, cant say the list didn't warn you. John, How
> >many transmissions will it take?
> >
> >
> >Cordially,
> >Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
> >[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras .org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
> >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
> >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >
> >
> >Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3 fastest supras are from
> my
> >work shop funny that hey.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
> > >
> > >Not at all - when racing I push my car to the limit - and then some
> >(anyone
> > >who's seen me race can vouch for this) - drag racing you only loose
> >traction
> > >and spin the wheels, and your going straight ahead so no biggie -
> track
> >
> > >racing I would push my car to the limit as well but if I were to go
> >over
> > >that limit I could spin out and cause damage to my car - I just
> don't
> >like
> > >the thought of smashing up something that I have spent literally
> >hundreds of
> > >hours on to get to the level that it is at.
> > >Don't mention taking my car out on the road every day and about
> primera
> >
> > >owners :)
> > >
> > >Hunt
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > >[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> Paterson
> >
> > >Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
> > >To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > >
> > >Apparently you're afraid of going around corners, so I guess I'll
> never
> >
> > >be able to prove otherwise...
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Hunt M [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21 p.m.
> > > > To: SCONZ.list Forward
> > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps the driver?
> > > >
> > > > Mwhaaahahaha *waits for flames* :)
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> > > > [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> > > > Cully Paterson
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19 p.m.
> > > > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > All fine and dandy that Robbies car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with
> his
> > > > > single turbo conversion BUT I got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> > > > the stock TT
> > > > > setup @ 12 psi boost with air filter and exhaust and bleed
> > > > valve, ran
> > > > > a 14.4 with that set up then a 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day -
> now
> > > > > running 9psi and car feels and is a lot stronger than
> before......
> >
> > > >
> > > > You seem entirely convinced that 1/4 mile numbers actually
> > > > mean something. In a road car it's just irrelevant! I
> > > > dyno'd with 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's now got a
> > > > better 1/4 time than me. It may as well be random numbers.
> > > >
> > > > Cully
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website
> > > > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website
> > > > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > > >
> > >
> > >---
> > >Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> > >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> >http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > >
> > >
> > >---
> > >Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> > >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> >http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
> >
> >
> >Watch movie trailers online with the Xtra Broadband Channel ! ---
> >Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> >http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
> >
> >---
> >Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> >http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
> >
> >---
> >Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> >http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
> >
> >---
> >Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> http://www.turbo.co.nz
> >
> >
> >---
> >Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> http://www.turbo.co.nz
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> There’s never been a better time to get Xtra JetStream @
> http://xtra.co.nz/jetstream
>
>
> ---
> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> http://www.turbo.co.nz
>

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 09:04:00 <Marc Archbold>


You're welcome to drive it anytime; driving it vs. guess work modifications are
another matter altogether.



> <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>
> <P>that is true that is why you never give me your 1jz to
> drive<BR></P></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Marc Archbold &lt;marc.a@paradise.net.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:22:10 +1200
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;This is what I am reffering to:
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Never say "1JZ's are Bulletproof"...
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;http://www.supra.co.nz/john.htm
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;-----Original Message-----
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;[mailto:bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
> Suze W
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;what has detonation on a 1jz got to do with my 7m blowing
> a head gasket?
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;lol
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;From: Marc Archbold &lt;marc.a@paradise.net.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are
> better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:15:34 +1200
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Not the FCD entirely, but Im sure that contributed.
>
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;You blew it because you didn't and still don't
> understand.&nbsp;&nbsp;Nor will
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;you take advice. Your website explains it thoroughly
> and yes a JZ
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;engine will fail when you don't understand what
> you're doing.&nbsp;&nbsp;The
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;major detonation shown on your website is a
> conclusive example of this.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Cordially,
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Marc
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;-----Original Message-----
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;From: bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;[mailto:bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz] On
> Behalf Of Suze W
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:52 p.m.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are
> better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the
> list didn't warn you.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;oh and why do you think i've done this?
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it will
> blow up my car
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;straight away
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;i do believe thats the only thing that the supra
> club in general
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;believe
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;was
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;the wrong way to do things
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;if you would like me to share i will happily do so,
>
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;and if you would like to read previous posts on what
> i have said about
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;my
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;engine you will know why i blew it... oh and you
> knew this was going to
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;happen, would you like to enlighten me how you knew?
> oh and what it was
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;exactly that blew it?
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;mods to my almighty and powerful 7m
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;boost 10psi
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;3 1/2 in exhaust
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;filter
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;550x300x75 intercooler
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;exhaust ported head to match the manifold
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;to4e ct26
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the
> 7mgte)
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;my car is my daily driver and drag car :D
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;there's my big list of mods ;)
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From: Marc Archbold
> &lt;marc.a@paradise.net.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are
> better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Great to hear your workshop is doing
> well.&nbsp;&nbsp;What I cant figure is why
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;the reluctancy in detailing what you have
> actually done to acheive
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;such
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;great results with your car;
> why?&nbsp;&nbsp;This list group is for
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;contributors,
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;not vaunting.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Are your cars great daily drivers or just fast
> straight liners?&nbsp;&nbsp;The
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;way I understand it is that it's difficult to
> have both in a single
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;package.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car, but
> sounds like you have
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;quite some issues with it running
> properly.&nbsp;&nbsp;You're not listening.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say the
> list didn't warn you.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;John, How many transmissions will it take?
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Cordially,
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Marc
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;-----Original Message-----
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From: bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;[mailto:bounce-34686-25@list.supras.org.nz] On
> Behalf Of john shannon
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:14 p.m.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are
> better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Hey Hunt dont you think its funny that the 3
> fastest supras are from
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;my
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;work shop funny that hey.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;From: "Hunt M" &lt;5uprah@supras.co.nz&gt;
>
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
>
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but
> turbos are better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:31:20 +1200
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Not at all - when racing I push my car to
> the limit - and then some
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;(anyone
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;who's seen me race can vouch for this) -
> drag racing you only loose
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;traction
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;and spin the wheels, and your going
> straight ahead so no biggie -
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;track
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;racing I would push my car to the limit as
> well but if I were to go
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;over
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;that limit I could spin out and cause
> damage to my car - I just
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;don't
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;like
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;the thought of smashing up something that
> I have spent literally
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;hundreds of
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;hours on to get to the level that it is
> at.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Don't mention taking my car out on the
> road every day and about
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;primera
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;owners :)
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Hunt
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;-----Original Message-----
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;From: bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;[mailto:bounce-34682-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Paterson
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:27 p.m.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but
> turbos are better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Apparently you're afraid of going around
> corners, so I guess I'll
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;never
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;be able to prove otherwise...
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: Hunt M
> [mailto:5uprah@supras.co.nz]
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:21
> p.m.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To: SCONZ.list Forward
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but
> turbos are better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Perhaps the driver?
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mwhaaahahaha *waits for
> flames*&nbsp;&nbsp;:)
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From:
> bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> [mailto:bounce-34680-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Paterson
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 6:19
> p.m.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but
> turbos are better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; All fine and dandy that Robbies
> car got 210rwhp @ 14psi with
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; his
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; single turbo conversion BUT I
> got 211rwhp (159rwkw) with
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the stock TT
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; setup @ 12 psi boost with air
> filter and exhaust and bleed
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; valve, ran
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; a 14.4 with that set up then a
> 14.2 @ 14psi boost same day -
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; now
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; running 9psi and car feels and
> is a lot stronger than
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; before......
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; You seem entirely convinced that 1/4
> mile numbers actually mean
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; something.&nbsp;&nbsp;In a road car
> it's just irrelevant!&nbsp;&nbsp;I dyno'd with
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 112kw MORE than Suze got, and she's
> now got a better 1/4 time
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; than
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; me.&nbsp;&nbsp;It may as well be
> random numbers.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Cully
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 09:08:00 <Marc Archbold>


Boast away John, great attitude you have bud. Odd how you never actually
contribute to the group.....



that is true that is why you never give me your 1jz to
> drive
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;This is what I am reffering to:
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Never say "1JZ's are Bulletproof"...
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;http://www.supra.co.nz/john.htm
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;-----Original Message-----
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;From: bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;[mailto:bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz] On
> Behalf Of Suze W
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are
> better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;what has detonation on a 1jz got to do with my 7m
> blowing a head gasket?
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;lol
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From: Marc Archbold
> &lt;marc.a@paradise.net.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are
> better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:15:34 +1200
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Not the FCD entirely, but Im sure that
> contributed.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;You blew it because you didn't and still don't
> understand.&nbsp;&nbsp;Nor will
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;you take advice. Your website explains it
> thoroughly and yes a JZ
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;engine will fail when you don't understand what
> you're doing.&nbsp;&nbsp;The
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;major detonation shown on your website is a
> conclusive example of this.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Cordially,
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Marc
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;-----Original Message-----
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From: bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;[mailto:bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz] On
> Behalf Of Suze W
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:52 p.m.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are
> better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say
> the list didn't warn you.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;oh and why do you think i've done this?
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it
> will blow up my car
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;straight away
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;i do believe thats the only thing that the
> supra club in general
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;believe
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;was
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;the wrong way to do things
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;if you would like me to share i will happily do
> so,
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;and if you would like to read previous posts on
> what i have said about
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;my
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;engine you will know why i blew it... oh and
> you knew this was going to
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;happen, would you like to enlighten me how you
> knew? oh and what it was
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;exactly that blew it?
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;mods to my almighty and powerful 7m
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;boost 10psi
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;3 1/2 in exhaust
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;filter
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;550x300x75 intercooler
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;exhaust ported head to match the manifold
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;to4e ct26
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the
> 7mgte)
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;my car is my daily driver and drag car :D
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;there's my big list of mods ;)
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;From: Marc Archbold
> &lt;marc.a@paradise.net.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but
> turbos are better
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Great to hear your workshop is doing
> well.&nbsp;&nbsp;What I cant figure is why
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;the reluctancy in detailing what you have
> actually done to acheive
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;such
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;great results with your car;
> why?&nbsp;&nbsp;This list group is for
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;contributors,
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;not vaunting.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Are your cars great daily drivers or just
> fast straight liners?&nbsp;&nbsp;The
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;way I understand it is that it's difficult
> to have both in a single
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;package.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car,
> but sounds like you have
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;quite some issues with it running
> properly.&nbsp;&nbsp;You're not listening.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say
> the list didn't warn you.
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;John, How many transmissions will it take?
>
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Cordially,
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Marc
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;---
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel &amp; Turbocharger
> http://www.turbo.co.nz
> <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>Check out news, entertainment and
> more on the <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENNZ/2746??PS=47575">Xtra
> Broadband Channel</a>
> ---
> <BR>
> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> <BR>
> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel &amp; Turbocharger
> http://www.turbo.co.nz
> </html>
>
>

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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 09:52:00 <john shannon>

Dont need to boast i have done it and in about a week i will tell you what i have done to my car but that will not help you the car is going to have a big upgrade. Thats another thing you all said that it was impossible for my car to do what it is doing with the twin turbos set up but as you can see i am doing it to show you lot that it can be done.

>From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:08:19 +1200 (NZST)
>
>
>
>Boast away John, great attitude you have bud.  Odd how you never actually
>contribute to the group.....
>
>
>
>that is true that is why you never give me your 1jz to
> > drive
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;This is what I am reffering to:
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Never say "1JZ's are Bulletproof"...
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;http://www.supra.co.nz/john.htm
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;-----Original Message-----
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;From: bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;[mailto:bounce-34721-25@list.supras.org.nz] On
> > Behalf Of Suze W
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 9:19 p.m.
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are
> > better
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;what has detonation on a 1jz got to do with my 7m
> > blowing a head gasket?
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;lol
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From: Marc Archbold
> > &lt;marc.a@paradise.net.nz&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are
> > better
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:15:34 +1200
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Not the FCD entirely, but Im sure that
> > contributed.
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;You blew it because you didn't and still don't
> > understand.&nbsp;&nbsp;Nor will
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;you take advice. Your website explains it
> > thoroughly and yes a JZ
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;engine will fail when you don't understand what
> > you're doing.&nbsp;&nbsp;The
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;major detonation shown on your website is a
> > conclusive example of this.
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Cordially,
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Marc
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;-----Original Message-----
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From: bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;[mailto:bounce-34705-25@list.supras.org.nz] On
> > Behalf Of Suze W
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 8:52 p.m.
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are
> > better
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say
> > the list didn't warn you.
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;oh and why do you think i've done this?
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;ohhhh that's right the fcd thats soooo bad it
> > will blow up my car
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;straight away
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;i do believe thats the only thing that the
> > supra club in general
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;believe
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;was
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;the wrong way to do things
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;if you would like me to share i will happily do
> > so,
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;and if you would like to read previous posts on
> > what i have said about
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;my
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;engine you will know why i blew it... oh and
> > you knew this was going to
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;happen, would you like to enlighten me how you
> > knew? oh and what it was
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;exactly that blew it?
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;mods to my almighty and powerful 7m
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;boost 10psi
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;3 1/2 in exhaust
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;filter
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;550x300x75 intercooler
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;exhaust ported head to match the manifold
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;to4e ct26
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;hks type k fuel cut defender (designed for the
> > 7mgte)
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;my car is my daily driver and drag car :D
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;there's my big list of mods ;)
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;From: Marc Archbold
> > &lt;marc.a@paradise.net.nz&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List"
> > &lt;sconz@list.supras.org.nz&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but
> > turbos are better
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:41:45 +1200
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Great to hear your workshop is doing
> > well.&nbsp;&nbsp;What I cant figure is why
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;the reluctancy in detailing what you have
> > actually done to acheive
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;such
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;great results with your car;
> > why?&nbsp;&nbsp;This list group is for
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;contributors,
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;not vaunting.
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Are your cars great daily drivers or just
> > fast straight liners?&nbsp;&nbsp;The
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;way I understand it is that it's difficult
> > to have both in a single
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;package.
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Hunt, great that you have a 14 Second car,
> > but sounds like you have
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;quite some issues with it running
> > properly.&nbsp;&nbsp;You're not listening.
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Suze, you've stuffed an engine, cant say
> > the list didn't warn you.
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;John, How many transmissions will it take?
> >
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Cordially,
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Marc
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;---
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> > <DIV></DIV>&gt;Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel &amp; Turbocharger
> > http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>Check out news, entertainment and
> > more on the <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENNZ/2746??PS=47575">Xtra
> > Broadband Channel</a>
> > ---
> > <BR>
> > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> > <BR>
> > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel &amp; Turbocharger
> > http://www.turbo.co.nz
> > </html>
> >
> >
>
>
>---
>Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
>Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz


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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 11:08:00 <Marc Archbold>

Who said what? When did I ask you for your help? Im saying you dont contribute
to the list, its all cloak-and-dagger stuff with your car.

The only thing you've proven that the factory transmissions fail over 350HP.
How many factory turbos have failed on your setup? Still think they're capable?

Understanding the point yet?

Cheers,
Marc



>Dont need to boast i have done it and in about a week i will tell you
>what i have done to my car but that will not help you the car is going
>to have a big upgrade. Thats another thing you all said that it was
>impossible for my car to do what it is doing with the twin turbos set up
>but as you can see i am doing it to show you lot that it can be
>done.

Reply

RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 11:44:00 <Suze W>
hey Marc :)

what would you consider "fail" for the turbos? is it seals just gone or the
turbo failing completely as in no boost?
if it's the no boost thing i believe he has only blown one set (not sure as
to the cause) but since the steel shaft conversion has been done his turbos
seem to be holding up fairly well :)

also regarding the fcd issue on the 7mgte
in all seriousness how would a fcd contribute to blowing my head gasket? i
am really interested
what other factors do you believe caused my hg to go?

Cheers

Suze


>From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:07:46 +1200 (NZST)
>
>
>Who said what? When did I ask you for your help? Im saying you dont
>contribute
>to the list, its all cloak-and-dagger stuff with your car.
>
>The only thing you've proven that the factory transmissions fail over
>350HP.
>How many factory turbos have failed on your setup? Still think they're
>capable?
>
>Understanding the point yet?
>
>Cheers,
>Marc
>
>
>
> >Dont need to boast i have done it and in about a week i will tell you
> >what i have done to my car but that will not help you the car is going
> >to have a big upgrade. Thats another thing you all said that it was
> >impossible for my car to do what it is doing with the twin turbos set up
> >but as you can see i am doing it to show you lot that it can be
> >done.
>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 12:15:00 <ronnie kumar>
Fcd is not always a bad thing.If you use a fcd,you have make sure you
upgrade the other things,like fuel upgrades to make it work properly.
I have had a fcd on my car for 4 years ,running high boost and have had no
problems.Before any-one does any upgrade,you have to make sure that your car
is peak condition in the first place.Before I used the fcd,I upgraded my
intercooler,fuel pump,rising rate regulator,fuel
computer,exhaust,intake,cooling system.change oil every 3 months.I also had
exhaust temp gauges,fuel pressure and had no problems at all.
Fcd is a bad thing if you decide to use a fcd without upgrading the other
systems in the car that needs to be upgraded.
Ronnie


>From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:44:26 +1200
>
>hey Marc :)
>
>what would you consider "fail" for the turbos? is it seals just gone or the
>turbo failing completely as in no boost?
>if it's the no boost thing i believe he has only blown one set (not sure as
>to the cause) but since the steel shaft conversion has been done his turbos
>seem to be holding up fairly well :)
>
>also regarding the fcd issue on the 7mgte
>in all seriousness how would a fcd contribute to blowing my head gasket? i
>am really interested
>what other factors do you believe caused my hg to go?
>
>Cheers
>
>Suze
>
>
>>From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:07:46 +1200 (NZST)
>>
>>
>>Who said what? When did I ask you for your help? Im saying you dont
>>contribute
>>to the list, its all cloak-and-dagger stuff with your car.
>>
>>The only thing you've proven that the factory transmissions fail over
>>350HP.
>>How many factory turbos have failed on your setup? Still think they're
>>capable?
>>
>>Understanding the point yet?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Marc
>>
>>
>>
>> >Dont need to boast i have done it and in about a week i will tell you
>> >what i have done to my car but that will not help you the car is going
>> >to have a big upgrade. Thats another thing you all said that it was
>> >impossible for my car to do what it is doing with the twin turbos set up
>> >but as you can see i am doing it to show you lot that it can be
>> >done.
>>
>>
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>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 12:24:00 <Suze W>
thanks for your input Ronnie... admittedly i don't have a fuel pressure
regulator yet.. but i do have an upgraded fuel pump to install and i am
currently organising 550cc injectors but at the moment it is running very
rich so i also need a fuel controller before i install them or else my
petrol bill will go thru the roof lol, i have dyno'd my car on 3 different
dynos and the a/f is identical on all three.. 10:1 a/f
that is the one thing i always made sure of was that i had plenty of fuel,
as my pistons show on my site there is no sign of detonation as the engine
reconditioner has also confirmed
so in my eyes a fcd is all good if you get your car tuned accordingly :)

Cheers

Suze


>From: "ronnie kumar" <ronio73@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:11:39 +1200
>
>Fcd is not always a bad thing.If you use a fcd,you have make sure you
>upgrade the other things,like fuel upgrades to make it work properly.
>I have had a fcd on my car for 4 years ,running high boost and have had no
>problems.Before any-one does any upgrade,you have to make sure that your
>car is peak condition in the first place.Before I used the fcd,I upgraded
>my intercooler,fuel pump,rising rate regulator,fuel
>computer,exhaust,intake,cooling system.change oil every 3 months.I also had
>exhaust temp gauges,fuel pressure and had no problems at all.
>Fcd is a bad thing if you decide to use a fcd without upgrading the other
>systems in the car that needs to be upgraded.
>Ronnie
>
>
>>From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:44:26 +1200
>>
>>hey Marc :)
>>
>>what would you consider "fail" for the turbos? is it seals just gone or
>>the turbo failing completely as in no boost?
>>if it's the no boost thing i believe he has only blown one set (not sure
>>as to the cause) but since the steel shaft conversion has been done his
>>turbos seem to be holding up fairly well :)
>>
>>also regarding the fcd issue on the 7mgte
>>in all seriousness how would a fcd contribute to blowing my head gasket? i
>>am really interested
>>what other factors do you believe caused my hg to go?
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Suze
>>
>>
>>>From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
>>>Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>>>To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>>>Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>>>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:07:46 +1200 (NZST)
>>>
>>>
>>>Who said what? When did I ask you for your help? Im saying you dont
>>>contribute
>>>to the list, its all cloak-and-dagger stuff with your car.
>>>
>>>The only thing you've proven that the factory transmissions fail over
>>>350HP.
>>>How many factory turbos have failed on your setup? Still think they're
>>>capable?
>>>
>>>Understanding the point yet?
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Marc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >Dont need to boast i have done it and in about a week i will tell you
>>> >what i have done to my car but that will not help you the car is going
>>> >to have a big upgrade. Thats another thing you all said that it was
>>> >impossible for my car to do what it is doing with the twin turbos set
>>>up
>>> >but as you can see i am doing it to show you lot that it can be
>>> >done.
>>>
>>>
>>>---
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>>>Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
>>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 13:43:00 <Marc Archbold>



> hey Marc :)

Hello Suze,


>
> what would you consider "fail" for the turbos? is it seals just gone or
> the
> turbo failing completely as in no boost?

Ie. You run them beyond their capabilities then they either catastrophically
fail, leak oil into intake/exhaust. Ie. You ruin bearings/thrust
washer/shafts. Hey if you're happy to throw money at it and accept it - so be
it.


> if it's the no boost thing i believe he has only blown one set (not sure
> as
> to the cause) but since the steel shaft conversion has been done his
> turbos
> seem to be holding up fairly well :)
>

It would be foolish to expect them to last if, once again they are run outside
of their specifications.


> also regarding the fcd issue on the 7mgte
> in all seriousness how would a fcd contribute to blowing my head gasket?

You're serious. Are you not in the car servicing industry? Detonation - I
recall you were warned before adding the FCD. Tell me how a higher flow fuel
pump would have prevented failure - it wouldnt.
When you developed you mods, at what point did you spend testing, proving and
retesting? Was it after the engine failed? Was it planned or best guessed?

Regards,
Marc





> i
> am really interested
> what other factors do you believe caused my hg to go?
>
> Cheers
>
> Suze
>
>
> >From: Marc Archbold <marc.a@paradise.net.nz>
> >Reply-To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> >Subject: RE: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:07:46 +1200 (NZST)
> >
> >
> >Who said what? When did I ask you for your help? Im saying you dont
> >contribute
> >to the list, its all cloak-and-dagger stuff with your car.
> >
> >The only thing you've proven that the factory transmissions fail over
> >350HP.
> >How many factory turbos have failed on your setup? Still think they're
>
> >capable?
> >
> >Understanding the point yet?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Marc
> >
> >
> >
> > >Dont need to boast i have done it and in about a week i will tell
> you
> > >what i have done to my car but that will not help you the car is
> going
> > >to have a big upgrade. Thats another thing you all said that it was
> > >impossible for my car to do what it is doing with the twin turbos set
> up
> > >but as you can see i am doing it to show you lot that it can be
> > >done.
> >
> >
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> >Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> http://www.turbo.co.nz
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 15:44:00 <Cully Paterson>

> also regarding the fcd issue on the 7mgte
> in all seriousness how would a fcd contribute to blowing my head gasket?

>When you developed you mods, at what point did you spend testing,
>proving and retesting? Was it after the engine failed? Was it
>planned or best guessed?

If I may venture a direct observation on the matter - Suze, you most definitely are not considering all aspects of the engine with the stuff you're doing. When you blew the head gasket I remember you turning up here and asking me what was going on, followed by stating that you "built the engine to be bulletproof". 'Bulletproof' turned out to be replacing the previous headgasket and unbuggering some badly done previous-owner fixes: hardly a killer build.

When you did your last engine build, or for that matter the current one, how many of the following (incomplete) list did you consider?
- Valve clearances
- Valve seating
- Valve spring condition
- Big/Little/Main bearing condition/clearances
- Oil pump gear clearances
- Metallurgical condition of rods/crank/head
- Condition of head/exhaust/main/rod studs & bolts
- Rotating component balance.

Do you fully comprehend what all these are, and why they're important? More to the point, do you fully comprehend why without doing these things you'll never reach that 500HP that you're so convinced you're going to get? (well, reach it without a big bang 5 seconds later).

If you can't honestly say that you understand all this, then do as I've already suggested and go and buy a good four stroke engine theory book and read it a dozen times. The benefit you'll get from this will be far more than bolting on any dodgy FCD hack.

Cully

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Re: RE:cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 20:51:00 <Hunt M>
Cully brings out the big guns...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz>
To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 3:27 PM
Subject: RE:[sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better



> also regarding the fcd issue on the 7mgte
> in all seriousness how would a fcd contribute to blowing my head gasket?

>When you developed you mods, at what point did you spend testing,
>proving and retesting? Was it after the engine failed? Was it
>planned or best guessed?

If I may venture a direct observation on the matter - Suze, you most
definitely are not considering all aspects of the engine with the stuff
you're doing. When you blew the head gasket I remember you turning up here
and asking me what was going on, followed by stating that you "built the
engine to be bulletproof". 'Bulletproof' turned out to be replacing the
previous headgasket and unbuggering some badly done previous-owner fixes:
hardly a killer build.

When you did your last engine build, or for that matter the current one, how
many of the following (incomplete) list did you consider?
- Valve clearances
- Valve seating
- Valve spring condition
- Big/Little/Main bearing condition/clearances
- Oil pump gear clearances
- Metallurgical condition of rods/crank/head
- Condition of head/exhaust/main/rod studs & bolts
- Rotating component balance.

Do you fully comprehend what all these are, and why they're important? More
to the point, do you fully comprehend why without doing these things you'll
never reach that 500HP that you're so convinced you're going to get? (well,
reach it without a big bang 5 seconds later).

If you can't honestly say that you understand all this, then do as I've
already suggested and go and buy a good four stroke engine theory book and
read it a dozen times. The benefit you'll get from this will be far more
than bolting on any dodgy FCD hack.

Cully


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RE:cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-25 20:52:00 <Suze W>
yes in a way you are right... but also with the conversation of the
bulletproof engine i was actually talking about the rebuild "after" this
one, with forged pistons, rods, arp equipment etc, not this engine, this
engine my plan is to build this as the stocky but improved head gasket etc
as the hg game is boring lol
i want to find the limit of the 7mgte stock block, that's my aim, i would
like to find it's max potential and i will go through my trials and
tribulations so that i may find what these limits are and at least be able
to share my findings with others
i am still able to do all these things with the right advice as i haven't
even started assembling my block yet... the clearances etc on the block are
there any new specs or go off factory specs?

i do not want to prematurely blow this motor for any stupid reason and i'm
learning alot so far
i'm not an expert and i will never say so... i learn something new
everytime, i mean surely you have made mistakes before Cully, everyone has,
we learn from it and carry on and improve it :)

my passion is for the 7mgte supra and i just want to make it what it should
always have been
although i may not do it the way people think i should some of things i have
done, have worked out well, others mainly due to poor inspection has blown
my head gasket lol

i know one thing, i wear glasses now :P i'm not so fast to jump in and do..
i research more and look at all the alternatives before i make a decision,
it's a bit hard at the mo coz i just wanna get my car going quick but if i
hurry it i know i'll mess something up or miss something so i'm consciously
watching myself and trying to take it slowly

I do not want this to go wrong so i will take appropriate steps :)

Thank you all for your advice

Cheers

Suze

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Re: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-26 15:22:00 <Nick Clewer>
> The only substitute for cubic inches is.........CUBIC FEET !

The only substitude for cubic feet is....... POUNDS THRUST!

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hunt M
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
> Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
> Go get a yank tank if you want cubes - there's no substatute for cc's -
> yes
> there is - forced induction :)
> Now lets work this out:
>
> 13.8 @ 10psi boost from a fully rebuilt 7M with larger T4 compressor
> wheel
> 14.04 @ 9psi from a 150 k's on the clock 1G using K26 turbo that has
> almost
> exact same size compressor wheel as a CT26.
>
> 0.2 seconds quicker - perhaps its the 1psi of boost - or maybe the fact
> that
> you have half my engine again! :)
>
> My 15.4 cents
>
> Hunt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Suze W" <spite_girl@hotmail.com>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [sconz] GA70 vs MA70 - my dilemma
>
>
> no no no, 7m power baby, stay with it
> 1g's are cool
> 1j's are cool
> but we got the cubes ;)
> and we already know the only problem with 7m's head gaskets, one fix
> sweet
> as, which from what i can remember you've already done so ur home free
> :D
>
> instead give me the ga70 body if it's still rego'd lol ;)
> need another mk3 body for flatmate :D
>
>
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-26 15:24:00 <Nick Clewer>
I ripped out all my tems and weighed abit of it. I would say closer to
15kg with all the controllers, the ecus, the wiring!! Yes I even ripped
out the wiring.

> Tems - don't weight that much extra - 5 kg's MAX?? - if that? Whats extra
> for tems? Actuators which are like 200grams each? Shocks don't weigh any
> different?
> Electric seats - not any more so than mine - ie. Only lumber and side
> support. No difference here!
> Cruise control - not that much, WAY less than 5 kg's worth
> R154 - no more than 5-10kg's?
>
> How about the fact that I race with my sounds in the boot - two amps, two
> 12" subs in a rather heavy box - weighs about 35kg's.....
>
> Anything else to comment on??
>
> Hunt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-34654-72@list.supras.org.nz
> [mailto:bounce-34654-72@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
> Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:55 p.m.
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
> TEMS, R154, Electric seats(?), Cruise Control, etc. It adds up.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>
>
>> dads trap speed for the 13.8 was 161.2 - for my 14.04 158.3
>>
>> fully spec'd???
>> no ABS - no aero roof - oh wait it has wide body gaurds - ooohh they
>> must
>> weigh heaps..........
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cully Paterson" <cully@supras.org.nz>
>> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>>
>>
>> ...and vehicle weight, especially when it comes to Hunt's no-options
> bare-as
>> GA70 vs Rob's fully spec'd MA70...
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lachlan Chapman" <Lachlan.Chapman@coel.co.nz>
>> To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>>
>>
>> > Compare the trap speeds, not the 1/4 times if you want to compare
> power...
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Hunt M" <5uprah@supras.co.nz>
>> > To: "Supra Club of NZ Mailing List" <sconz@list.supras.org.nz>
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM
>> > Subject: [sconz] cc's rule - but turbos are better
>> >
>> >
>> > ><blah blah blah drivel>
>> >
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RE: cc's rule - but turbos are better   2004-06-26 15:29:00 <Nick Clewer>
Give you some idea, a friend had a MA71 7M Turbo with the Auto it ran a
13.8@98 mph. 2 weeks later we put a W58 in (he couldn't get a R154 at that
time) and then ran a 13.8@102 mph. Same boost everything. Only change was
the gearbox. Interesting.

>
>>> Tems - don't weight that much extra - 5 kg's MAX?? - if that? Whats
>>> extra
>>> for tems? Actuators which are like 200grams each? Shocks don't weigh
>>> any
>>> different?
>
>>Shock are heavier, loom to each corner of the car, additional loom for
>> TEMS
>>computer, steering wheel sensor, display.
>
> Shocks are marginally heavier - would not say more than 2kg's each - so
> 8kg's all up - wiring from corner to corner of car - less than 2kg's - its
> not 3 phase
>
>
>>> Electric seats - not any more so than mine - ie. Only lumber and side
>>> support. No difference here!
>
>>Have you picked up the fully electric seats? They're *heavy*. I had to
>>ship one to the US - had to send it in two parts as it was over the
>> weight
>>limit as a whole item.
>
> I have picked up electric seats - great to know they are heavy - however
> my
> dad has THE SAME seats as mine so this comment is irrelevant.
>
>>> Cruise control - not that much, WAY less than 5 kg's worth
>
>>Computer, bellows, piping, throttle linkage, loom, switches.
>
> Would be VERY surprised if all this was more than 5kg's
>
>>> R154 - no more than 5-10kg's?
>
>> About 12 from memory.
>
> More than I was expecting but I'll believe ya :)
>
>>> Anything else to comment on??
>
>> Only that it all adds up. Little things like 6 speaker stereos as
>> standard
>> all go to make a significant difference.
>
> Dads doesn't have 6 speaker stereo - NZ new - four speaker set up.
>
> OH!! And we took out dads spare tire when I raced and did the 13.8!! :)
>
> So in conclusion we have:
>
> 10 kg's for tems
> 4 kg's for CC
> 12 kg's for R154 vs W5x box
>
> 26kg's difference - not including the fact that the 7M-GTE weighs more the
> 1G-GTE.
> His car (minus the engine weight difference) is heavier than mine by 26
> kg's
> - my sub box weighs around 35 (or more) kg's, 10kg's up on him so far -
> now
> for engine weight comparisons....???
>
> Cheers
> Hunt
>
>
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