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So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-06 17:40:00

<Ian>

Hi guys, little update. I have almost finished rebuilding my 1JZ project when i found the turbos on the engine i brought were stuffed. Went to grab the other set i had off my other 1JZ and found they are stuffed as well so here's my dillemia i have just over $2000 to spend on getting new turbo(s) and a setup when i came across this kit.
http://www.nahux.com/NPOWER/vehicle_product.php?vid=19&cid=129
Anyone looked at using this kit?
Anything you guys think i should ask about it?
Anyone got a better idea of what i should do?
I would have liked to stay twin turbo but guess this is easiest.
Not really looking for huge power, cant stand lagg.
Help.
Thanks,
Ian.

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 10:20:00

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-84367-266@list.supras.org.nz
> [mailto:bounce-84367-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 5:34 p.m.
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

> i have just over $2000 to spend on getting new turbo(s) and a
> setup when i came across this kit.
> http://www.nahux.com/NPOWER/vehicle_product.php?vid=19&cid=129
> Anyone looked at using this kit?
> Anything you guys think i should ask about it?
> Anyone got a better idea of what i should do?

I would steer clear of this kit as I wouldn't trust the KKR turbo as far
as I could throw it.

However, the design of the manifold isn't too bad, and if you could get
one minus the turbo it wouldn't be a bad option. Note: You'd *really*
have to make sure that you had some good support braces on it to make
sure that the weight doesn't crack the stainless.

The manifold has a T3 flange, which means you could buy a GT30 or GT35
and bolt it right on.

Cully

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 10:28:00

While you're talking about 1JZ and T3 manifolds - is there a off the shelf /
already made item here in NZ?

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[mailto:bounce-84382-265@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
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Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-84367-266@list.supras.org.nz
> [mailto:bounce-84367-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 5:34 p.m.
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

> i have just over $2000 to spend on getting new turbo(s) and a
> setup when i came across this kit.
> http://www.nahux.com/NPOWER/vehicle_product.php?vid=19&cid=129
> Anyone looked at using this kit?
> Anything you guys think i should ask about it?
> Anyone got a better idea of what i should do?

I would steer clear of this kit as I wouldn't trust the KKR turbo as far
as I could throw it.

However, the design of the manifold isn't too bad, and if you could get
one minus the turbo it wouldn't be a bad option. Note: You'd *really*
have to make sure that you had some good support braces on it to make
sure that the weight doesn't crack the stainless.

The manifold has a T3 flange, which means you could buy a GT30 or GT35
and bolt it right on.

Cully

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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 11:28:00

<hanre@...>

Not really that I've seen, and those I have seen looks extensively dodgy.
Brendan (Nite Parts) will be starting on mine in 3 weeks time, could
have him make up one for you at the same probably... ;)

Cost is anywhere from 700-1000$ for a decent steam tube one he reckoned.

Quoting Adrian Maka <adrian@mroizo.co.nz>:

> While you're talking about 1JZ and T3 manifolds - is there a off the shelf /
> already made item here in NZ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-84382-265@list.supras.org.nz
> [mailto:bounce-84382-265@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 10:20 a.m.
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bounce-84367-266@list.supras.org.nz
>> [mailto:bounce-84367-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 5:34 p.m.
>> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>> Subject: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!
>
>
>> i have just over $2000 to spend on getting new turbo(s) and a
>> setup when i came across this kit.
>> http://www.nahux.com/NPOWER/vehicle_product.php?vid=19&cid=129
>> Anyone looked at using this kit?
>> Anything you guys think i should ask about it?
>> Anyone got a better idea of what i should do?
>
>
> I would steer clear of this kit as I wouldn't trust the KKR turbo as far
> as I could throw it.
>
> However, the design of the manifold isn't too bad, and if you could get
> one minus the turbo it wouldn't be a bad option. Note: You'd *really*
> have to make sure that you had some good support braces on it to make
> sure that the weight doesn't crack the stainless.
>
> The manifold has a T3 flange, which means you could buy a GT30 or GT35
> and bolt it right on.
>
>
> Cully
>
>
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 11:37:00

Hmmm..
Well I only need my one that I have on there now modified for a better fit.
I'll go talk to Mr Muffler today and see what he can do with what I have :o

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[mailto:bounce-84388-265@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of
hanre@mk3supra.co.nz
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 11:28 a.m.
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Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

Not really that I've seen, and those I have seen looks extensively dodgy.
Brendan (Nite Parts) will be starting on mine in 3 weeks time, could
have him make up one for you at the same probably... ;)

Cost is anywhere from 700-1000$ for a decent steam tube one he reckoned.

Quoting Adrian Maka <adrian@mroizo.co.nz>:

> While you're talking about 1JZ and T3 manifolds - is there a off the shelf
/
> already made item here in NZ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-84382-265@list.supras.org.nz
> [mailto:bounce-84382-265@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cully Paterson
> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 10:20 a.m.
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bounce-84367-266@list.supras.org.nz
>> [mailto:bounce-84367-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 5:34 p.m.
>> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
>> Subject: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!
>
>
>> i have just over $2000 to spend on getting new turbo(s) and a
>> setup when i came across this kit.
>> http://www.nahux.com/NPOWER/vehicle_product.php?vid=19&cid=129
>> Anyone looked at using this kit?
>> Anything you guys think i should ask about it?
>> Anyone got a better idea of what i should do?
>
>
> I would steer clear of this kit as I wouldn't trust the KKR turbo as far
> as I could throw it.
>
> However, the design of the manifold isn't too bad, and if you could get
> one minus the turbo it wouldn't be a bad option. Note: You'd *really*
> have to make sure that you had some good support braces on it to make
> sure that the weight doesn't crack the stainless.
>
> The manifold has a T3 flange, which means you could buy a GT30 or GT35
> and bolt it right on.
>
>
> Cully
>
>
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> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 12:49:00

Ian if you want to stay with the twins why not have a look at a set of steel wheel twins on trade me for $1000,> From: tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 04:34:02 +0000> > Hi guys, little update. I have almost finished rebuilding my 1JZ project when i found the turbos on the engine i brought were stuffed. Went to grab the other set i had off my other 1JZ and found they are stuffed as well so here's my dillemia i have just over $2000 to spend on getting new turbo(s) and a setup when i came across this kit.> http://www.nahux.com/NPOWER/vehicle_product.php?vid=19&cid=129> Anyone looked at using this kit?> Anything you guys think i should ask about it?> Anyone got a better idea of what i should do?> I would have liked to stay twin turbo but guess this is easiest.> Not really looking for huge power, cant stand lagg.> Help.> Thanks,> Ian.> ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 12:58:00

<hanre@...>

If those are the e-bay ones from Australia I'd say stear clear... have
only heard bad things!

Quoting john shannon <jshannon55@hotmail.com>:

>
> Ian if you want to stay with the twins why not have a look at a set
> of steel wheel twins on trade me for $1000,> From:
> tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject:
> [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007
> 04:34:02 +0000> > Hi guys, little update. I have almost finished
> rebuilding my 1JZ project when i found the turbos on the engine i
> brought were stuffed. Went to grab the other set i had off my other
> 1JZ and found they are stuffed as well so here's my dillemia i have
> just over $2000 to spend on getting new turbo(s) and a setup when i
> came across this kit.>
> http://www.nahux.com/NPOWER/vehicle_product.php?vid=19&cid=129>
> Anyone looked at using this kit?> Anything you guys think i should
> ask about it?> Anyone got a better idea of what i should do?> I
> would have liked to stay twin turbo but guess this is easiest.> Not
> really looking for huge power, cant stand lagg.> Help.> Thanks,>
> Ian.> ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/>
> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 13:15:00

Ian if you do go single and you dont want to have lag a gt35r will spool up faster than your twins, but you are looking over $2000 for a good set up.

From: jshannon55@hotmail.comTo: sconz@list.supras.org.nzSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:48:29 +0000

Ian if you want to stay with the twins why not have a look at a set of steel wheel twins on trade me for $1000,> From: tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 04:34:02 +0000> > Hi guys, little update. I have almost finished rebuilding my 1JZ project when i found the turbos on the engine i brought were stuffed. Went to grab the other set i had off my other 1JZ and found they are stuffed as well so here's my dillemia i have just over $2000 to spend on getting new turbo(s) and a setup when i came across this kit.> http://www.nahux.com/NPOWER/vehicle_product.php?vid=19&cid=129> Anyone looked at using this kit?> Anything you guys think i should ask about it?> Anyone got a better idea of what i should do?> I would have liked to stay twin turbo but guess this is easiest.> Not really looking for huge power, cant stand lagg.> Help.> Thanks,> Ian.> ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz

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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 13:41:00

<hanre@...>

WAY over... :P
I bought a GT3076R back when the exchange rate was still 81c to the
USD and it still cost me 2.2K landed!

Quoting john shannon <jshannon55@hotmail.com>:

>
> Ian if you do go single and you dont want to have lag a gt35r will
> spool up faster than your twins, but you are looking over $2000 for
> a good set up.
>
>
> From: jshannon55@hotmail.comTo: sconz@list.supras.org.nzSubject: RE:
> [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007
> 23:48:29 +0000
>
>
> Ian if you want to stay with the twins why not have a look at a set
> of steel wheel twins on trade me for $1000,> From:
> tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject:
> [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007
> 04:34:02 +0000> > Hi guys, little update. I have almost finished
> rebuilding my 1JZ project when i found the turbos on the engine i
> brought were stuffed. Went to grab the other set i had off my other
> 1JZ and found they are stuffed as well so here's my dillemia i have
> just over $2000 to spend on getting new turbo(s) and a setup when i
> came across this kit.>
> http://www.nahux.com/NPOWER/vehicle_product.php?vid=19&cid=129>
> Anyone looked at using this kit?> Anything you guys think i should
> ask about it?> Anyone got a better idea of what i should do?> I
> would have liked to stay twin turbo but guess this is easiest.> Not
> really looking for huge power, cant stand lagg.> Help.> Thanks,>
> Ian.> ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/>
> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> http://www.turbo.co.nz
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Re: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 13:45:00

<hanre@...>

Could always just get yours rebuilt with steel wheels through Alltech...

Last time I asked I got quoted around 1.2K per turbo which includes
basically everything. You drop off the turbos and come pick them back
up when they are done and just bolt them back in.

It's allot of money to spend on CT12As but if you really want to keep
the whole TT thing going on with minimal lag that's probably the
fastest/easiest way to go.

Will give you a bit more umph as well.

Quoting Ian <tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com>:

> Hi guys, little update. I have almost finished rebuilding my 1JZ
> project when i found the turbos on the engine i brought were
> stuffed. Went to grab the other set i had off my other 1JZ and found
> they are stuffed as well so here's my dillemia i have just over
> $2000 to spend on getting new turbo(s) and a setup when i came
> across this kit.
> http://www.nahux.com/NPOWER/vehicle_product.php?vid=19&cid=129
> Anyone looked at using this kit?
> Anything you guys think i should ask about it?
> Anyone got a better idea of what i should do?
> I would have liked to stay twin turbo but guess this is easiest.
> Not really looking for huge power, cant stand lagg.
> Help.
> Thanks,
> Ian.
> ---
> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
>

Re: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 17:51:00

<Ian>

Think im going to give the CT12A's a miss they are just really a bad design. And i have also heard bad things about steel wheel versions just aint worth the money.
I can get the manifold seperate in fact i think i found a better one.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TOYOTA-SOARER-JZX90-1JZGTE-TOP-MOUNT-T3-TURBO-MANIFOLD_W0QQitemZ190169948206QQihZ009QQcategoryZ43808QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Marc says he can get me a GT2876R fro a reasonable price. so maybe this will be best use of my cash.

RE: Re:So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 17:53:00

One single GT28 is too small for a 1JZ

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Subject: Re:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

Think im going to give the CT12A's a miss they are just really a bad design. And i have also heard bad things about steel wheel versions just aint worth the money.
I can get the manifold seperate in fact i think i found a better one.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TOYOTA-SOARER-JZX90-1JZGTE-TOP-MOUNT-T3-TURBO-MANIFOLD_W0QQitemZ190169948206QQihZ009QQcategoryZ43808QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Marc says he can get me a GT2876R fro a reasonable price. so maybe this will be best use of my cash.

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RE: Re:So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 17:55:00

<Ian>

Depends i was pretty happy with the power my standard setup was making Big power is not my goal. faster spool is more important. To me :)

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 17:55:00

that gt2876r is way to small, i would look for somthing bigger for a 1jz.> From: tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject: Re:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 04:47:53 +0000> > Think im going to give the CT12A's a miss they are just really a bad design. And i have also heard bad things about steel wheel versions just aint worth the money.> I can get the manifold seperate in fact i think i found a better one.> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TOYOTA-SOARER-JZX90-1JZGTE-TOP-MOUNT-T3-TURBO-MANIFOLD_W0QQitemZ190169948206QQihZ009QQcategoryZ43808QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> > Marc says he can get me a GT2876R fro a reasonable price. so maybe this will be best use of my cash.> > > ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 17:56:00

That manifold is cheap in price, I wonder if its cheap in quality as well....

See if you can get in contact with anyone else who's bought that manifold and what they're thoughts are. Also I cant find on that auction page what the specs of the stainless is....

> From: Py7h0n@warzone.co.nz> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:56:24 +1300> Subject: RE: Re:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > One single GT28 is too small for a 1JZ> > > ________________________________________> From: bounce-84407-1896@list.supras.org.nz [bounce-84407-1896@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian [tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com]> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 5:47 p.m.> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List> Subject: Re:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > Think im going to give the CT12A's a miss they are just really a bad design. And i have also heard bad things about steel wheel versions just aint worth the money.> I can get the manifold seperate in fact i think i found a better one.> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TOYOTA-SOARER-JZX90-1JZGTE-TOP-MOUNT-T3-TURBO-MANIFOLD_W0QQitemZ190169948206QQihZ009QQcategoryZ43808QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> > Marc says he can get me a GT2876R fro a reasonable price. so maybe this will be best use of my cash.> > > ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz> > ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 17:57:00

<Ian>

Yer i was going to email them first to find out more about it before i just dove into buying something.

RE: Re:So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 17:58:00

with that turbo yes no lag but it will run out off puff very fast.> From: tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject: RE:[sconz] Re:So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 04:54:02 +0000> > Depends i was pretty happy with the power my standard setup was making Big power is not my goal. faster spool is more important.> To me :)> ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:02:00

Spool or not ... GT28 = too small for a 1JZ

They put GT28's on little SR20's FFS!!!

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Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

That manifold is cheap in price, I wonder if its cheap in quality as well....

See if you can get in contact with anyone else who's bought that manifold and what they're thoughts are. Also I cant find on that auction page what the specs of the stainless is....

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> From: Py7h0n@warzone.co.nz
> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz
> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:56:24 +1300
> Subject: RE: Re:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!
>
> One single GT28 is too small for a 1JZ
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: bounce-84407-1896@list.supras.org.nz [bounce-84407-1896@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian [tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 5:47 p.m.
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: Re:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!
>
> Think im going to give the CT12A's a miss they are just really a bad design. And i have also heard bad things about steel wheel versions just aint worth the money.
> I can get the manifold seperate in fact i think i found a better one.
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TOYOTA-SOARER-JZX90-1JZGTE-TOP-MOUNT-T3-TURBO-MANIFOLD_W0QQitemZ190169948206QQihZ009QQcategoryZ43808QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Marc says he can get me a GT2876R fro a reasonable price. so maybe this will be best use of my cash.
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:06:00

<Ian>

Okay what turbo would you guys recomend? keep mind my budget $2500 max everything including manifold etc.

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:09:00

I think for a 1jz a 60-1 or aroung that size is a good match for the 1jz.> From: tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject: RE:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:05:37 +0000> > Okay what turbo would you guys recomend?> keep mind my budget $2500 max everything including manifold etc.> ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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2007-11-08 18:10:00

<Ian>

this may help... My current setup. Standard 1jzgte engine Mines Ecu RSR 3" exhaust and downpipe Pod Filter I have a Greddy Profect B spec (not installed) I have no extra fuelling or pumps.

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:11:00

<Ian>

Woops Greddy profec B-spec II

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:12:00

you will need a fuel pump and 440cc injecors with them you will be sweet> From: tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject: RE:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:07:40 +0000> > this may help... My current setup.> Standard 1jzgte engine> Mines Ecu> RSR 3" exhaust and downpipe> Pod Filter> I have a Greddy Profect B spec (not installed)> > I have no extra fuelling or pumps.> ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:18:00

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From: bounce-84421-266@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-84421-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Llewellyn
Giles
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 6:02 p.m.
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Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

Spool or not ... GT28 = too small for a 1JZ

They put GT28's on little SR20's FFS!!!

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> From: Py7h0n@warzone.co.nz
> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz
> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:56:24 +1300
> Subject: RE: Re:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!
>
> One single GT28 is too small for a 1JZ
>

Bollocks. The 'GT28' they put on SR20's bears no relation to the
GT2860R that is being talked about here. The compressor on the SR20
version is 46mm-in/60mm-ex. The 2860R is 52/76mm.

The turbo is spec'd to 2.7litres and 360kw. This is right within the
spec that Ian is talking about and would provided excellent response.

Bigger does not automatically equate to better. Look and the numbers,
not the dick size.

Cully

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:22:00

Now you are joking right gt2860 360kws thats like almost maxing a t66 out.> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:18:13 +1300> From: Cully@supras.org.nz> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > > > > ________________________________> > From: bounce-84421-266@list.supras.org.nz> [mailto:bounce-84421-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Llewellyn> Giles> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 6:02 p.m.> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > Spool or not ... GT28 = too small for a 1JZ> > They put GT28's on little SR20's FFS!!!> > ________________________________> > > > From: Py7h0n@warzone.co.nz> > To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:56:24 +1300> > Subject: RE: Re:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > > One single GT28 is too small for a 1JZ> > > > > Bollocks. The 'GT28' they put on SR20's bears no relation to the> GT2860R that is being talked about here. The compressor on the SR20> version is 46mm-in/60mm-ex. The 2860R is 52/76mm. > > The turbo is spec'd to 2.7litres and 360kw. This is right within the> spec that Ian is talking about and would provided excellent response.> > Bigger does not automatically equate to better. Look and the numbers,> not the dick size.> > Cully> > > > ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:26:00

<Ian>

Thought is was a GT2876R is this not right?

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:39:00

> From: bounce-84435-266@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-84435-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 6:22 p.m.
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

> Now you are joking right gt2860 360kws thats like almost maxing
a t66 out.

No, I am not joking. I know of two vehicles in Auckland that are
exceeding the rated max-engine-horsepower but at the wheels. These are
both on SR20 powered cars, and they aren't pulling stupid boost to do it
either.

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:40:00

> -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-84437-266@list.supras.org.nz > [mailto:bounce-84437-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian > Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 6:25 p.m. > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List > Subject: RE:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help! > > Thought is was a GT2876R is this not right? On the SR20 you mean? That's a 2560.

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:43:00

<Ian>

No disrespect to you Cully, You Said... "The 'GT28' they put on SR20's bears no relation to the GT2860R that is being talked about here" But the turbo Marc told me about was a GT2876R not a GT2860R, i take full reponsibility for not knowing what im talking about here.

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:47:00

Oops, beg your pardon - got that the wrong way around. I should have
said 2876.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-84443-266@list.supras.org.nz
> [mailto:bounce-84443-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian
> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 6:42 p.m.
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: RE:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!
>
> No disrespect to you Cully, You Said...
> "The 'GT28' they put on SR20's bears no relation to the
> GT2860R that is being talked about here"
>
> But the turbo Marc told me about was a GT2876R not a GT2860R,
> i take full reponsibility for not knowing what im talking about here.
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 18:53:00

<Ian>

No problem just making sure i know what im looking at.
Anyway so what are my options with the GT2876R
The Manifold in Australia is a resonable price i think we can all agree its not going to be the best In the world but for the price it should be resonable will i have to weld a T25 flange onto the manifold?.
What else will i need?
Wastegate?
Fuel Pump?
Injectors?
Obviusly i will need bolts, flanges and gaskets but im sure i can line those up.

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 19:06:00

Ian befor you waste your cash on this turbo have alook around at other 1jz engines and see what thay are running, i think your twins will out flow this turbo, when i did my first single the turbo i used was a lot bigger than this pluss i had no lag as such and i thourt that was to small for the 1jz, but hey at the end of the day its up to you, all i am saying i have been there and i know what works and what dos not.> From: tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject: RE:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:48:04 +0000> > No problem just making sure i know what im looking at.> Anyway so what are my options with the GT2876R> The Manifold in Australia is a resonable price i think we can all agree its not going to be the best In the world but for the price it should be resonable will i have to weld a T25 flange onto the manifold?.> What else will i need?> Wastegate?> Fuel Pump?> Injectors?> Obviusly i will need bolts, flanges and gaskets but im sure i can line those up. > ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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2007-11-08 19:16:00

I just looked at a map for this turbo, unless your running high compresson there is no way this turbo will flow 600hp more like 450hp max.> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:38:25 +1300> From: Cully@supras.org.nz> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > > > > > > From: bounce-84435-266@list.supras.org.nz> [mailto:bounce-84435-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon> > Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 6:22 p.m.> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List> > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > Now you are joking right gt2860 360kws thats like almost maxing> a t66 out.> > > No, I am not joking. I know of two vehicles in Auckland that are> exceeding the rated max-engine-horsepower but at the wheels. These are> both on SR20 powered cars, and they aren't pulling stupid boost to do it> either.> > > > ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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2007-11-08 19:34:00

<Ian>

Okay Thanks John ,Although i would be totally mind blowin if i had 450HP all i am aiming for is the original 300HP or better so 450HP would be Crazy...For me. Lest we forget i flipped and crashed my last Supra at 160Kph up a tree and through a concrete fence. 300HP is fun enough for me. Also my budget is pretty much set in concrete, Which is burried in a 100 litre freezer in said concrete.
Thanks for you comments they are all apreciated.
Ian.
R.I.P. orginal VIPRA!

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 19:57:00

> From: bounce-84452-266@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-84452-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
> Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 7:15 p.m.
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

> I just looked at a map for this turbo, unless your running high
compresson there is no way this turbo will flow 600hp more like 450hp
max.

Who mentioned 600HP? I said it'd flow 360kw = 480HP.

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 20:00:00

You said 360kws at the wheels thats like close to running 600hp at the engine.> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:56:58 +1300> From: Cully@supras.org.nz> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > > > > From: bounce-84452-266@list.supras.org.nz> [mailto:bounce-84452-266@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon> > Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 7:15 p.m.> > To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List> > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > > I just looked at a map for this turbo, unless your running high> compresson there is no way this turbo will flow 600hp more like 450hp> max.> > > Who mentioned 600HP? I said it'd flow 360kw = 480HP.> > > > ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 22:03:00

Here's what Cully's wrote where he mentions 360kw:

The turbo is spec'd to 2.7litres and 360kw. This is right within the

spec that Ian is talking about and would provided excellent response.

No mention of rwhp there. In another post he refers to rwhp, but
without a figure:

No, I am not joking. I know of two vehicles in Auckland that are
exceeding the rated max-engine-horsepower but at the wheels. These are
both on SR20 powered cars, and they aren't pulling stupid boost to do it
either.

Wires crossed, perhaps?

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From: bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz
[mailto:bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 8:00 p.m.
To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

You said 360kws at the wheels thats like close to running 600hp at the
engine.

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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 22:13:00

And

Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:02:01 +1300From: PeterN@datacom.co.nzTo: sconz@list.supras.org.nz

Here�s what Cully�s wrote where he mentions 360kw:

The turbo is spec'd to 2.7litres and 360kw. This is right within the
spec that Ian is talking about and would provided excellent response.

No mention of rwhp there. In another post he refers to rwhp, but without a figure:

No, I am not joking. I know of two vehicles in Auckland that are exceeding the rated max-engine-horsepower but at the wheels. These are both on SR20 powered cars, and they aren't pulling stupid boost to do it either.

Wires crossed, perhaps?

From: bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannonSent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 8:00 p.m.To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing ListSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

You said 360kws at the wheels thats like close to running 600hp at the engine.
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2007-11-08 22:26:00

Does this mean you dont understand?

>
> And
>
>
> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Thu, 8 Nov
> 2007 22:02:01 +1300From: PeterN@datacom.co.nzTo:
> sconz@list.supras.org.nz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Heres what Cullys wrote where he mentions 360kw:
>
> The turbo is spec'd to 2.7litres and 360kw. This is right within the
> spec that Ian is talking about and would provided excellent response.
>
> No mention of rwhp there. In another post he refers to rwhp, but without
> a figure:
>
> No, I am not joking. I know of two vehicles in Auckland that are
> exceeding the rated max-engine-horsepower but at the wheels. These are
> both on SR20 powered cars, and they aren't pulling stupid boost to do it
> either.
>
> Wires crossed, perhaps?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz
> [mailto:bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john
> shannonSent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 8:00 p.m.To: Supra Club of NZ
> Mailing ListSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!
>
> You said 360kws at the wheels thats like close to running 600hp at the
> engine.
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-08 22:32:00

lol to make 360kws the turbo is got to pushing close to 600hp, ok thats right i dont know eny thing thats why i make around 1000hp all done by my self, and what do you make Mark.> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:25:35 +1300> From: marc.a@paradise.net.nz> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > > Does this mean you dont understand?> > > > > > And> > > > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Thu, 8 Nov> > 2007 22:02:01 +1300From: PeterN@datacom.co.nzTo:> > sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here�s what Cully�s wrote where he mentions 360kw:> > > > The turbo is spec'd to 2.7litres and 360kw. This is right within the> > spec that Ian is talking about and would provided excellent response.> > > > No mention of rwhp there. In another post he refers to rwhp, but without> > a figure:> > > > No, I am not joking. I know of two vehicles in Auckland that are> > exceeding the rated max-engine-horsepower but at the wheels. These are> > both on SR20 powered cars, and they aren't pulling stupid boost to do it> > either.> > > > Wires crossed, perhaps?> > > > > > > > > > > > From: bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz> > [mailto:bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john> > shannonSent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 8:00 p.m.To: Supra Club of NZ> > Mailing ListSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > > You said 360kws at the wheels thats like close to running 600hp at the> > engine.> > --- Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website> > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz > > _________________________________________________________________> > Exp ress yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's> > FREE!> > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> > ---> > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger> > http://www.turbo.co.nz > > > ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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2007-11-08 23:47:00

360kw is only 480hp, not far off the 450? mentioned previous?

On Nov 8, 2007 10:31 PM, john shannon <jshannon55@hotmail.com> wrote:
> lol to make 360kws the turbo is got to pushing close to 600hp, ok thats
> right i dont know eny thing thats why i make around 1000hp all done by my
> self, and what do you make Mark.
>
> > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:25:35 +1300
> > From: marc.a@paradise.net.nz
>
> > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!
> > To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz
>
>
> >
> >
> > Does this mean you dont understand?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > And
> > >
> > >
> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Thu, 8 Nov
> > > 2007 22:02:01 +1300From: PeterN@datacom.co.nzTo:
> > > sconz@list.supras.org.nz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's what Cully's wrote where he mentions 360kw:
> > >
> > > The turbo is spec'd to 2.7litres and 360kw. This is right within the
> > > spec that Ian is talking about and would provided excellent response.
> > >
> > > No mention of rwhp there. In another post he refers to rwhp, but without
> > > a figure:
> > >
> > > No, I am not joking. I know of two vehicles in Auckland that are
> > > exceeding the rated max-engine-horsepower but at the wheels. These are
> > > both on SR20 powered cars, and they aren't pulling stupid boost to do it
> > > either.
> > >
> > > Wires crossed, perhaps?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz
> > > [mailto:bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john
> > > shannonSent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 8:00 p.m.To: Supra Club of NZ
> > > Mailing ListSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!
> > >
> > > You said 360kws at the wheels thats like close to running 600hp at the
> > > engine.
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 00:02:00

you tell me this kws means at wheels hp means fly wheel true if so 360kws is 480rwhp thats close to 600 flywheel hp yes> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 23:46:15 +1300> From: suprra@gmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject: Re: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > 360kw is only 480hp, not far off the 450? mentioned previous?> > On Nov 8, 2007 10:31 PM, john shannon <jshannon55@hotmail.com> wrote:> > lol to make 360kws the turbo is got to pushing close to 600hp, ok thats> > right i dont know eny thing thats why i make around 1000hp all done by my> > self, and what do you make Mark.> >> > > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:25:35 +1300> > > From: marc.a@paradise.net.nz> >> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> >> >> > >> > >> > > Does this mean you dont understand?> > >> > >> > > >> > > > And> > > >> > > >> > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Thu, 8 Nov> > > > 2007 22:02:01 +1300From: PeterN@datacom.co.nzTo:> > > > sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Here's what Cully's wrote where he mentions 360kw:> > > >> > > > The turbo is spec'd to 2.7litres and 360kw. This is right within the> > > > spec that Ian is talking about and would provided excellent response.> > > >> > > > No mention of rwhp there. In another post he refers to rwhp, but without> > > > a figure:> > > >> > > > No, I am not joking. I know of two vehicles in Auckland that are> > > > exceeding the rated max-engine-horsepower but at the wheels. These are> > > > both on SR20 powered cars, and they aren't pulling stupid boost to do it> > > > either.> > > >> > > > Wires crossed, perhaps?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > From: bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz> > > > [mailto:bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john> > > > shannonSent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 8:00 p.m.To: Supra Club of NZ> > > > Mailing ListSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > >> > > > You said 360kws at the wheels thats like close to running 600hp at the> > > > engine.> > > > --- Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website> > > > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz> > > > _________________________________________________________________> > > > Exp ress yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's> > > > FREE!> > > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> > > > ---> > > > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> > > > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger> > > > http://www.turbo.co.nz> > >> > >> > > ---> > > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> > > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz> >> > ________________________________> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger ---> >> > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz> > ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 00:09:00

its like a stock 1jz makes 280hp but only makes 160kws that at the wheels, you dont go buy a 500hp turbo and think you will make that at the wheel no the best you will get at the wheels is about 280kws.

From: jshannon55@hotmail.comTo: sconz@list.supras.org.nzSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:01:16 +0000

you tell me this kws means at wheels hp means fly wheel true if so 360kws is 480rwhp thats close to 600 flywheel hp yes> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 23:46:15 +1300> From: suprra@gmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject: Re: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > 360kw is only 480hp, not far off the 450? mentioned previous?> > On Nov 8, 2007 10:31 PM, john shannon <jshannon55@hotmail.com> wrote:> > lol to make 360kws the turbo is got to pushing close to 600hp, ok thats> > right i dont know eny thing thats why i make around 1000hp all done by my> > self, and what do you make Mark.> >> > > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:25:35 +1300> > > From: marc.a@paradise.net.nz> >> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> >> >> > >> > >> > > Does this mean you dont understand?> > >> > >> > > >> > > > And> > > >> > > >> > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Thu, 8 Nov> > > > 2007 22:02:01 +1300From: PeterN@datacom.co.nzTo:> > > > sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Here's what Cully's wrote where he mentions 360kw:> > > >> > > > The turbo is spec'd to 2.7litres and 360kw. This is right within the> > > > spec that Ian is talking about and would provided excellent response.> > > >> > > > No mention of rwhp there. In another post he refers to rwhp, but without> > > > a figure:> > > >> > > > No, I am not joking. I know of two vehicles in Auckland that are> > > > exceeding the rated max-engine-horsepower but at the wheels. These are> > > > both on SR20 powered cars, and they aren't pulling stupid boost to do it> > > > either.> > > >> > > > Wires crossed, perhaps?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > From: bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz> > > > [mailto:bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john> > > > shannonSent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 8:00 p.m.To: Supra Club of NZ> > > > Mailing ListSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > >> > > > You said 360kws at the wheels thats like close to running 600hp at the> > > > engine.> > > > --- Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website> > > > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz> > > > _________________________________________________________________> > > > Exp ress yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's> > > > FREE!> > > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> > > > ---> > > > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> > > > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger> > > > http://www.turbo.co.nz> > >> > >> > > ---> > > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> > > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz> >> > ________________________________> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger ---> >> > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz> > ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz

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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 00:14:00

ok try this if you put your car on a hub dyno thay give your power as hp becouse the hub dyno reads flywheel hp, but on a rolling road dyno thay give your power as kws becouse thay read your power at the wheels true.

From: jshannon55@hotmail.comTo: sconz@list.supras.org.nzSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:01:16 +0000

you tell me this kws means at wheels hp means fly wheel true if so 360kws is 480rwhp thats close to 600 flywheel hp yes> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 23:46:15 +1300> From: suprra@gmail.com> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> Subject: Re: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > 360kw is only 480hp, not far off the 450? mentioned previous?> > On Nov 8, 2007 10:31 PM, john shannon <jshannon55@hotmail.com> wrote:> > lol to make 360kws the turbo is got to pushing close to 600hp, ok thats> > right i dont know eny thing thats why i make around 1000hp all done by my> > self, and what do you make Mark.> >> > > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:25:35 +1300> > > From: marc.a@paradise.net.nz> >> > > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> >> >> > >> > >> > > Does this mean you dont understand?> > >> > >> > > >> > > > And> > > >> > > >> > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Thu, 8 Nov> > > > 2007 22:02:01 +1300From: PeterN@datacom.co.nzTo:> > > > sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Here's what Cully's wrote where he mentions 360kw:> > > >> > > > The turbo is spec'd to 2.7litres and 360kw. This is right within the> > > > spec that Ian is talking about and would provided excellent response.> > > >> > > > No mention of rwhp there. In another post he refers to rwhp, but without> > > > a figure:> > > >> > > > No, I am not joking. I know of two vehicles in Auckland that are> > > > exceeding the rated max-engine-horsepower but at the wheels. These are> > > > both on SR20 powered cars, and they aren't pulling stupid boost to do it> > > > either.> > > >> > > > Wires crossed, perhaps?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > From: bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz> > > > [mailto:bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john> > > > shannonSent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 8:00 p.m.To: Supra Club of NZ> > > > Mailing ListSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > >> > > > You said 360kws at the wheels thats like close to running 600hp at the> > > > engine.> > > > --- Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website> > > > sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz> > > > _________________________________________________________________> > > > Exp ress yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's> > > > FREE!> > > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> > > > ---> > > > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> > > > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger> > > > http://www.turbo.co.nz> > >> > >> > > ---> > > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> > > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz> >> > ________________________________> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger ---> >> > Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz> > ---> Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz

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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 08:56:00

I'm sceptical of that. The power is still being read at the wheels,
therefore you still have transmission losses to account for.

Unless the hub dyno does some calibrations to more accurately measure
the losses caused by the transmission.

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[mailto:bounce-84482-33@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannon
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 12:13 a.m.
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Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

ok try this if you put your car on a hub dyno thay give your power as hp
becouse the hub dyno reads flywheel hp, but on a rolling road dyno thay
give your power as kws becouse thay read your power at the wheels true.

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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 09:08:00

Like i said a stock 1jz makes 280hp at the flywheel, but you put it on a rolling road dyno it will only make about 160kws which is 210hp that means it as lost 70hp with trasmission losses,

Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:55:17 +1300From: PeterN@datacom.co.nzTo: sconz@list.supras.org.nz

I�m sceptical of that. The power is still being read at the wheels, therefore you still have transmission losses to account for.

Unless the hub dyno does some calibrations to more accurately measure the losses caused by the transmission.

From: bounce-84482-33@list.supras.org.nz [mailto:bounce-84482-33@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john shannonSent: Friday, 9 November 2007 12:13 a.m.To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing ListSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

ok try this if you put your car on a hub dyno thay give your power as hp becouse the hub dyno reads flywheel hp, but on a rolling road dyno thay give your power as kws becouse thay read your power at the wheels true.--- Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/ Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 09:14:00

Ease up John. Your response was 'and' - which can either be interpreted as
derogatory but perhaps your intention was for further discussion?

And well done with your personal achievements, you must be really proud of
yourself.

Regards,
Marc
>
> lol to make 360kws the turbo is got to pushing close to 600hp, ok thats
> right i dont know eny thing thats why i make around 1000hp all done by
> my self, and what do you make Mark.> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:25:35
> +1300> From: marc.a@paradise.net.nz> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up
> my turbo's... Help!> To: sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > > Does this mean
> you dont understand?> > > > > > And> > > > > > Subject: RE: [sconz] So i
> blew up my turbo's... Help!Date: Thu, 8 Nov> > 2007 22:02:01 +1300From:
> PeterN@datacom.co.nzTo:> > sconz@list.supras.org.nz> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Heres what Cullys wrote where he mentions 360kw:> > > >
> The turbo is spec'd to 2.7litres and 360kw. This is right within the> >
> spec that Ian is talking about and would provided excellent response.> >
> > > No mention of rwhp there. In another post he refers to rwhp, but
> without> > a figure:> > > > No, I am not joking. I know of two vehicles
> in Auckland that are> > exceeding the rated max-engine-horsepower but at
> the wheels. These are> > both on SR20 powered cars, and they aren't
> pulling stupid boost to do it> > either.> > > > Wires crossed, perhaps?>
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz> >
> [mailto:bounce-84460-33@list.supras.org.nz] On Behalf Of john> >
> shannonSent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 8:00 p.m.To: Supra Club of NZ> >
> Mailing ListSubject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!> > > >
> You said 360kws at the wheels thats like close to running 600hp at the>
> > engine.> > --- Supra Club of New Zealand - http://www.supras.org.nz/
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 09:27:00

> From: john shannon
> Subject: RE: [sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

> ok try this if you put your car on a hub dyno thay give your power as
hp becouse the hub dyno
> reads flywheel hp, but on a rolling road dyno thay give your power as
kws becouse thay read your power at the wheels true.

Oh jeez.. A hub dyno cannot give you flywheel hp - physically
impossible. Just like any other dyno it can 'estimate' engine HP based
on drivetrain inertia, but if you look into the reality of the figures
that come out of them it's pretty random.

A hub dyno cannot give flywheel HP due to the drivetrain losses that
occur - it is not just wheel-to-roller losses that cause the difference
between engine and wheel power. You have:
- Flywheel/clutch inertia
- Gearbox bearing, fluid, seal, and acoustic loss
- Gearbox helical gear loss (gears aren't straight, they are cut at an
angle which introduces side loading which is friction)
- Driveshaft inertia and bearing loss
- Diff bearing, fluid, seal and acoustic loss
- Diff helical gear loss

THEN you get to the hubs. And they have losses too.

You sound like one of those people who subscribe to the theory that if
you lose 25% of your power on a stock engine then you'll still lose 25%
on a hotted up engine. This is false. While the loss will increase
with power, the percentage loss falls. You cannot assume the same
percentage loss at double the power. The same percentage loss theory
falls over when it comes to explain where the heat generated by extra
power has gone - do you really think the same amount of gearbox fluid is
going to soak up and dissipate double the amount of heat?

You keep referring to 160kw vs 210kw for a stock JZ wheel/engine power.
Again this is false reasoning. A stock JZ might make 210kw when it
comes out of the factory (according to the marketing department), and
assuming you strip all the ancillaries off it to do so, but a 12+ year
old 'stock' JZ with at least 150,000kms on the clock is not going to be
producing anywhere near that.

Point being: on a purpose built fresh engine (as I was talking about)
you are not going to have to push 600 at the crank to get 480 at the
wheels.

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 09:38:00

<Ian>

While i encourage a good debate all this is geting off topic, Please instead of arguing about what power makes what, offer me advice on turbo options that will be close to what i had to my original twin turbo with specific references to where and how much i can get these bits i need. Cheers guys. Ian.

RE:So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 10:00:00

Ian,

You have told us that 300hp is fine for you, and that
you like the response of the stock twins.

I would stick with the twins.

There must be some sort of hybrid rebuild you can have
done that will allow you to run a few more pounds of
boost and not keep blowing them up.

I think that would be cheaper than going single.
Remember going single you will need:
* A turbo
* A manifold
* A wastegate
* A downpipe
* Intercooler piping modifications
* Custom heat shields?
* Custom turbo oil and water feed/drains
* Possibly bigger injectors, fuel pump and aftermarket
ECU to make it all worthwhile...

I think even the basics off that list will be over
your budget.

Oh, and twins are cooler mmmm twins :o)

Cheers
Andy S

--- Ian <tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com> wrote:

> While i encourage a good debate all this is geting
> off topic, Please instead of arguing about what
> power makes what, offer me advice on turbo options
> that will be close to what i had to my original twin
> turbo with specific references to where and how much
> i can get these bits i need.
> Cheers guys.
> Ian.
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RE:So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 10:17:00

<hanre@...>

I would have to agree, a budget of 2.5K I don't think will get you
anywhere near a reliable single turbo conversion. Possibly if you use
all old/second hand parts etc but even then it's a stretch.

A decent new Garrett alone will cost around that much...

I am going through the same thing at the moment with a single turbo
conversion, I've spent upwards of 5K on parts so far and I don't even
have a manifold yet...

Sticking with twins will be the cheapest option, get in contact with
the guys @ AAlltech and see what they can do for you. ;)

Quoting Andy S <spud3861@yahoo.com>:

> Ian,
>
> You have told us that 300hp is fine for you, and that
> you like the response of the stock twins.
>
> I would stick with the twins.
>
> There must be some sort of hybrid rebuild you can have
> done that will allow you to run a few more pounds of
> boost and not keep blowing them up.
>
> I think that would be cheaper than going single.
> Remember going single you will need:
> * A turbo
> * A manifold
> * A wastegate
> * A downpipe
> * Intercooler piping modifications
> * Custom heat shields?
> * Custom turbo oil and water feed/drains
> * Possibly bigger injectors, fuel pump and aftermarket
> ECU to make it all worthwhile...
>
> I think even the basics off that list will be over
> your budget.
>
> Oh, and twins are cooler mmmm twins :o)
>
> Cheers
> Andy S
>
> --- Ian <tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> While i encourage a good debate all this is geting
>> off topic, Please instead of arguing about what
>> power makes what, offer me advice on turbo options
>> that will be close to what i had to my original twin
>> turbo with specific references to where and how much
>> i can get these bits i need.
>> Cheers guys.
>> Ian.
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>> http://www.supras.org.nz/
>> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
>> http://www.turbo.co.nz
>>
>
>
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RE:So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 11:52:00

<Ian>

I agree twins are cooler but just as it is with twin girls, twin turbos are more expensive than a single. And the only option there seems to be is the steel wheel design which has been said to be questionalble at best. So far i have these prices. Garret GT2876R $1800 KKR430 turbo $1200 Landed SS manifold ex Australia $500 landed Steam pipe manifold here in Christchurch $1200

RE:So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 12:09:00

<hanre@...>

The dodgy ones are the cheapies you buy from overseas from those no
name suppliers etc. If you rebuild them here at a reputable workshop
you should not really have any problems.

Quoting Ian <tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com>:

> I agree twins are cooler but just as it is with twin girls, twin
> turbos are more expensive than a single. And the only option there
> seems to be is the steel wheel design which has been said to be
> questionalble at best.
> So far i have these prices.
> Garret GT2876R $1800
> KKR430 turbo $1200 Landed
> SS manifold ex Australia $500 landed
> Steam pipe manifold here in Christchurch $1200
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RE:So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 13:54:00

I can vouch for Alltech's Hybrid - although I did have a front turbo thrust
bearing fail on my rebuilt set, Cully and the guys at Alltech were fantastic
in rebuilding it and reconditioning the wastegates assy.

What's more, Alltech didnt charge me a cent, yet the agreement was no warranty
as I opted to be a tester. Although I suspect I owe more than a few beers to
Cully when I catch up with him next...

What I understand Ian to be suggesting is that the CT12a and build on the 1JZ
is not a good platform to start from, hence going to single with a 'decent-
ish' manifold. Anyone that has seen the stock exhaust manifolds would have
difficulty arguing this point.

Regards,
Marc

> The dodgy ones are the cheapies you buy from overseas from those no
> name suppliers etc. If you rebuild them here at a reputable workshop
> you should not really have any problems.
>
> Quoting Ian <tigermoth_ii@hotmail.com>:
>
> > I agree twins are cooler but just as it is with twin girls, twin
> > turbos are more expensive than a single. And the only option there
> > seems to be is the steel wheel design which has been said to be
> > questionalble at best.
> > So far i have these prices.
> > Garret GT2876R $1800
> > KKR430 turbo $1200 Landed
> > SS manifold ex Australia $500 landed
> > Steam pipe manifold here in Christchurch $1200
> > ---
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> > Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> http://www.turbo.co.nz
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> Website sponsored by Alltech Diesel & Turbocharger
> http://www.turbo.co.nz
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RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 13:58:00

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Archbold
> To: Supra Club of NZ Mailing List
> Subject: RE:[sconz] So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

> What's more, Alltech didnt charge me a cent, yet the
> agreement was no warranty as I opted to be a tester.
> Although I suspect I owe more than a few beers to Cully when
> I catch up with him next...

Mmmm, beeeeeer.....

I should add that I found out today that the price on the replacement
steel shafts for the CT12As has come down to about ~50% of what it
originally was, and they're better quality than the ones that you've got
Marc (sorry!).

Cheers
Cully

RE: So i blew up my turbo's... Help!

2007-11-09 14:05:00

<Ian>

Just for laugh's... Rang Toyota NZ For a P&A on 2 brand new CT12A's ex Japan... $6500! Each + G.S.T. Hearing the entire parts department explode into laughter Priceless. :)